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Post by Dean Robinson on May 4, 2007 0:35:18 GMT -5
In the last few days I have been emailing and chating with some of the front line workers in the child protection field , some have been very understanding. and also feel there is a need for changes to how the Cas operates, some truly believe there is a need for oversight and would welcome it.
Now I have also talked with some that believe that I'm as evil as they come for questioning the credibility of the supervisors directors and wannabe supervisors of the Children's Aid Society in Canada,
I'm going to ask that we give these people a chance to speak and treat them in a civil manner, By doing this we may even find some may be willing to help with suggestions on how to deal with them in some situations,
Just because they work with the CAS it does not make them the enemy. and I'm sure there are few people with the CAS that believe I'm not the Anti Christ of the Child protection services of Canada
here our chance to work together
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Post by bizzi on May 4, 2007 8:11:19 GMT -5
This maybe one section I will have to stay out of. out of the 190 workers in my 20 some odd years of dealing with them. I have never meet a nice one. If your considered the anti-christ of foster care and your willing to work with them... what does that make me who does see them as the enemy and will never work with them but against them to have them shut down?. I know I will be an old man before I see it... but at least I got something to look forward to. lol...
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Post by Lorna on May 4, 2007 8:13:36 GMT -5
www.children.gov.on.ca/NR/rdonlyres/entwqi6356nwch6bqq6xngjh7letcbhtteg7c4a776hlfzv33m3uhqmfed4yhdkkssuaofv7u6yoln/CPToolsManualfinalweb.pdf Well when they are told to follow this no wonder the system is in the hole its in.. This is the Ontario Child Protection Tool Manual......An actual manual to protect children, 144 pages....Well once you read some of this you will can make your own conclusion on how rediculous it was to waist tax payers money to have someone draft this up Do we really think the workers are going to speak out against some of the policies attatched to the cas, I personally don't think so, they are more scared to loose their job's than telling someone the system is wrong. Just my opinion.....
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Post by Lorna on May 4, 2007 8:15:49 GMT -5
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Post by bizzi on May 4, 2007 8:19:25 GMT -5
I have to agree they won't speak up. But it sure does say alot.. that we who were victimized will but they remain completely wanker. So let them remain wanker if they so choose.
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Post by Lorna on May 4, 2007 8:31:02 GMT -5
I called a cas office yesterday to report abuse of a child in their care.....So she says to me can i have your name I said yes and my number, she said thank you for being so transparent, I said well I dont work for cas of course im transparent.
I am going to call again to see if this child was removed or are they just gonna keep her there to be abused more.
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Post by miyaxanagel on May 4, 2007 8:31:44 GMT -5
Well, there are two areas I will never talk to: CAS Workers CASA (Court appointed for the Children's Lawyer)
They all have to follow the same agenda, and they will never at any time go against their own agency, they WORK for the Agency.
Like Bizzi said, I have never seen a nice one. They would act like nice people but when you are not looking or put down your defenses, they attack you like a mad woman. Is that how they are supposed to act?
According to Social Worker's Code of Ethics, they are supposed to be cordial and professional which they are neither.
They would say they will HELP you, but in reality, they aren't. They retiliate. They make you feel like you are the bad parent, a Child Abuser, makes you feel dirty. They even will look you down. They claim they will Help you but yet they put your names on Child Abuse Registry. How s that for helping? Everyone knows we are child abusers in this small town and everyone looks dirty at us. But we don't care.
I am sadden to see that you had to work with these people, there are NO MIDDLE GROUND when it comes to these CAS People. They won't change, they won't budge, they will stand on their Mission statement and stand behind their Agency at all cost even if it will bring you down, looks like they have achieved their goal.
I tried to work with these people at one time, but I have been snookered and cheated, lied to, stabbed at, and so forth. I have come to the conclusion there is NO WORKING with them. They stand behind their policies. The Trust is gone. I trusted them at the beginning but when I saw the light what they were really like, the Trust has been broken.
When a Trust is broken, they have to gain it back by EARNING the Trust. They have to WORK at it. We have already worked hard through Services and we have not seen them working at bringing the kids back home. It will be a long, long, long time before they can earn the trust back and reclaim their name to their Agency.
Let's not forget their original name was:
Children's Aid Society. Why the need to change so many names under the umbrealla? Because they know what People thought about Children's Aid Society, it must have been a bad name in order for them to change the name.
If they want to work together, they must admit that they have faults in their policies and admit that it needs changes. After admitting that it needs a Change, on record, then maybe, just maybe we can be able to work together. If they can't admit to it, then we will never work together. And that's the reality of it all in this Country.
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Post by bizzi on May 4, 2007 8:46:40 GMT -5
Lucky children hu? What does one expect?
I mean think about it.. this is the same class of people who thought making African's into slaves was a great idea.
Asking them years ago to work with the "slaves" back then, and asking them to work with us now, what do you know we now get the same attitude from them. Working with them is up to them. And sadly this area will remain empty.
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Post by Dean Robinson on May 4, 2007 9:31:27 GMT -5
LOL Biz I was going to put that in my first post that Im not the anti Christ of the CAS only cause you reseved that position first lol. but I did'nt want to offend you. As far as evil we are products of our enviorment arnt we Biz.. Ok let give them the chance to respond. like I said Ive been chating with a few of the workers on Facebook and they all have said we dont seem to give them a chance to respond So i say here is the chance and we will make a simple rule to accept them in this section and act civil. I personaly dont think any of them will respond but I think we should offer the chance. Join facebook and invite them to this section www.facebook.com
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Post by tiggr on May 8, 2007 19:48:34 GMT -5
Hi!. I hope they do come and post a few messages here.
There are SOME good workers. They, like those in politics, law enforcement, or anywhere in life, when they try to do what is right, they get ousted. Quickly, and wankerly.
I have met a worker that did everything she could to help, but was so burnt out she had to leave. I know another worker that got out of it after a death of a child she tried to protect. She still won't discuss it to this day. I know somebody that is still involved in a family services but in another province. Some of the things she sees sickens her. But she can do nothing about it. NOTHING. Children needing protection that don't get it, and others that don't belong in the system. I know a foster family that is being persecuted for wanting to adopt one of their foster kids. Pathetic.
Something is terribly wrong with a system that tries to go by one single set of rules for everybody. Every situation is unique in its own right.
In defense of many, a lot of workers get into their careers because "they've been there". They want to help, and see that no other children go through what they have. Theres a problem with that. Many see the children's lives through their own eyes, and through their own issues, fear, and pain. Thats wrong.
A bad father in one family doesn't make another father bad in another family. Mothers that sincerely try in one family may be literal killers in another. Abusers have no one set of rules to go by. Why should any society?
I feel horrible for those workers that try to help. I really do. It is them that will suffer for the actions, (or lack thereof) of the bad ones, that result in harm to children, or their families.
If one wonder swhere the good workers are, you will find them in the background where they can keep them in check for not going with the flow.
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Post by DatalinX on May 9, 2007 9:04:46 GMT -5
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a cas worker to speak up about their agency... It's just not gonna happen. And I really don't think that they'll be willing to work with us... in any way shape or form. If you read the handbook Lorna posted, you'll see that they perceive EVERYONE as a potential threat. Now that's being paranoid. I have met some good social workers, none of which worked for the cas. They are REAL social workers who really do care about the people they help an what happens to them. But I am still waiting for the day to meet a cas worker with any kind of conscience or morals & values. It would seem to be one of those oxymoron's.. lol Maybe it's a requirement for the cas jobs... you have to have an IQ below 10, have no morals or values, no common courtesy, no common sense, and no self respect or dignity I don't think there is room in their little brains for reasoning, and that trying to talk to them is futile. I will not give them the benefit of the doubt.... they never give it to anyone else...
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Post by bizzi on Jun 26, 2007 5:09:04 GMT -5
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a cas worker to speak up about their agency... It's just not gonna happen. And I really don't think that they'll be willing to work with us... in any way shape or form. If you read the handbook Lorna posted, you'll see that they perceive EVERYONE as a potential threat. Now that's being paranoid. .... Everyone? I hope they included themselves. Fact: My parents didn't do a thing. Fact: Social workers condemned me to a life of hell. Fact: Social Workers are a threat. We are all people are we are all equal. So if we are a threat then so are you people. The only difference is we have proved you are a threat, all you have shown us is dead kids. It doesn't matter that a corrupt half brained government covered your ass AGAIN.. Even thought they tried to squash this topic and sweep it under the carpet, it back fired. When they said fuck the kids and the victims. It proved me right about them.
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Post by bizzi on Jun 26, 2007 5:17:57 GMT -5
C.A.S was responsible for the Native res schools. They ran them. Now why the government took the fall is beyond me. Well not really. C.A.S will not change. Not when it is run like more then 100 years ago.
How many kids have to die at the government and C.A.S's hands.
Maybe the Government would let a group of the public audit the deaths in foster care and the C.A.S over the last 15 years all over Canada not for their money this time like the government did.. but how are the kids doing. See what happened to them.
We would also like to see the reasons for all the cuts that were made to the foster care systems and why. And see if your cuts had a positive effect. Also free access to the drop in centers all across Canada's statistics. youth and adult. if the government does not want to willingly give us this information...
Then we are just gonna take it.
See we care about the kids,That is what makes us the good guys.
So if I gotta be the bad guy to get a good thing done.. then...
Yeeehaw.
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Post by bizzi on Jun 26, 2007 5:44:26 GMT -5
In the physical world you have alot of power Government. But online you don't. You are a little child. The talk about making a new secure internet will not make a difference waste tons of money and secure yourself in a corner while we beat the tar out of you, Where there is a will there will always be a way. The new internet they talk about will be the end of your privacy online. And end up worse then the one we have now.
If the hacker populace has proved one thing it's exactly that.
If we the people don't have the right to know what our government is doing then the Government don't have the right to know what we are doing. And if that is the case we have far bigger problems then foster care. Like for example why does it exist......still in the first place?
If this many kids had died, say by roller skating, skates would be banned.
Like there is only one reason why foster care is still going after all the kids they have gotten killed. Because the Government does not care about children at all.
The fact that their audit was on their money and never even looked at the children says more then I ever could to prove that they don't care about the kids. yet the government houses thousands of us across Canada trying to sell us off after the provinces make their cash from the federal government for having us in their care.
That is why foster care is run by each province. This needs to change. A Canada wide standard, needs to be put in place with very close relentless never ending scrutiny. Children deserve nuthing less.
And only people with something very dark and scary to hide would fight us tooth and nail over this. Throw us in jail, shut down our websites... punish us for speaking out by taking our children. You name it their is no low they have not gone.
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Post by bizzi on Jun 26, 2007 5:54:06 GMT -5
Everyone benefits from foster care except the kids. All the kids get is a life full of pain and loss and abuse. And the loss of everyone they love. What is the difference between a guy coming into your home and killing your whole family, taking everyone you love away and leaving you alone for the rest of your life and a social worker coming in and doing the same..? The social worker gets paid and stress leave.
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