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Post by td on Jun 6, 2007 21:27:17 GMT -5
where, if it does(though ive been led to beleive) in the child and family services act, does it state in black and white that "ALL" individuals doing the work of social workers must be registered with the college of social workers?, and is there any form of mandate or "direction" by the minister that states that the c.a.s. must abide by this and or use only qualified individuals? where can i find it? AND ok,theres> bsw theres>msw but what is a "rsw" is there such a thing?
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Post by darrensgirl on Jun 6, 2007 21:34:27 GMT -5
RSW is registered social worker....or so i assume
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Post by td on Jun 6, 2007 21:54:39 GMT -5
lol, i asumed that as well, lol, but, what is their credibility behind it, if any?
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Post by Litigator1 on Jun 7, 2007 5:28:54 GMT -5
The CAS has no rule requiring workers to be licensed in fact they prefer hiring unlicensed social workers so they can not be held accountable to any governing body. What you can do is sue worker for professional misconduct who is performing duties only licensed social workers are permitted to perform. Or look at private criminal charges for the Unauthorized Practice of Social Work.
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Post by fixchildrensaid on Jun 7, 2007 11:55:21 GMT -5
The CAS has no rule requiring workers to be licensed in fact they prefer hiring unlicensed social workers so they can not be held accountable to any governing body. What you can do is sue worker for professional misconduct who is performing duties only licensed social workers are permitted to perform. Or look at private criminal charges for the Unauthorized Practice of Social Work. Does that mean that there is a rule requiring THE WORKER to be licenced, but no rule requiring CAS to hire only licenced workers, meaning that, essentially CAS leaves the workers on the hook and not themselves?
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Post by td on Jun 7, 2007 13:42:58 GMT -5
well, the way i see it that is right! but one must not mistaken one duty for another!defined: - a worker that comes to your home is suposed to be a qualified social worker,licensed and registered!BUT, -if someone that is just stting at the c.a.s. building,filing reports(clarical or support staff) they do not need to be licensed social workers period!example: at the police station,police a sworn in peace officers with powers of the crown1 but their clerical staff and support staff do not have to be and generally are not! how do you think the cops get their kids jobs in the summer? and i can just imagine the THINGS that go on then!
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Post by fixchildrensaid on Jun 7, 2007 14:18:47 GMT -5
If that's the case, CAS ain't doin' the right thing here. My children's worker - the one who visits, writes and swears her affidavits and makes all the decisions - is only a "Child Protection Worker".
Personally, based on what litigator said, I believe that it is because CAS wants the worker's ass on the line when I can finally expose the wrongdoing that CAS performed BEFORE she became the worker.
If she was to read this and understand what is about to befall her, she may want to stop doing what she is doing.
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Post by CE on Jun 10, 2007 12:43:08 GMT -5
Well some of the supervisory personnel are registered social workers.
Failuer to supervise and producing / approving fraudulent records is professional misconduct under the rules of the Collge of Social Workers.
Sadly enough the College has no intention to regulate the professions as required. I had filed a complaint with the college in 2005 which has been heard resantly. The Callage is required to dispose of a complaint in 120 days , but it takes 2 years to do so.
Please let me know if there is anyone who had his complaint resolved for less then a year and I will file with the Human Rights Commission for discrimination.
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Post by CE on Jun 10, 2007 12:44:55 GMT -5
Attn, Frank Klees, MPP Cc. OCSWSSW Open letter/ published Dear Mr. Klees, As your future constituent I want to ask for opposing Bill 171 giving additional rights to Ontario College of Social Workers to regulate the provision of Mental Health Services. My experience with the College services has been pitiful. The College is incapable to fulfill their mandate to regulate the profession and the provision of mandated services as is. I filed a complaint against a registered social worker in 2005 and it has not been reviewed to date (2007). The legislatively suggested timeline for disposal of complaints is 120 days, not 2 years. Further the College is mandated to provide mediation services. Such are currently not available to the public. I am concerned that the lack of the College ability to currently regulate the provision of Social Work Services is seriously endangering the welfare the public as a whole. In actual fact my family had sustained damaged related to professional misconduct and many other families with autistic children in the area have similar experience of being bullied by Social Workers for obtaining profit. I want to know your position on the above Bill and what are your intentions for the welfare of our community. Yours kindly, CE
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Post by GUEST on Jun 10, 2007 21:39:32 GMT -5
BSW == means the worker holds a bachelor of social work from an accedited university.
MSW -- worker holds a Masters of Social Work from an accredited university.
RSW - Registered Social WOrker -- worker is registered with the ONtario COllege of Social workers.
---------------------- CAS and SOCIAL WORKERS: - only those who are registered with the College of Social Workers are allowed to call themselves Social Workers. - As a result... the CAS does not have a job position called: Social Worker. It might be the same damn thing... but its not called a Social Worker. Instead... they have Family Service Workers, Child Service Workers, Adoption Workers, Intake Workers, Crown Ward Workers...ect.... none are officially called "social workers". ----------------------
Many many many workers do not qualify to be registered with the college for various reasons (years of training, and continued education are part of the requirements for example).
The only thing a member of the college gets really is the annual fee (which is high)... and an occassional newsletter.
The agency won't pay for the worker to be registered, and therefore... workers are reluctant. Since they aren't considered to be Social Workers... they are not required to be registered. Workers who fail to pay the annual fee get their membership suspended... which means nothing really... but looks like they did something very unprofessional or wrong to a client which is not often the case.
So... knowing its not required, its costly and you as a worker would get nothing in return for BEING a member... why would you sign up??
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Post by fixchildrensaid on Jun 11, 2007 14:57:08 GMT -5
Because if a person IS registered with the College, the people who receive their services would have the confidence that they will do a good job, since they are held to strict regulations.
I have dealt with the College in a limited amount so far (I have to file a complaint, but haven't had the time yet.) I found the College to be very helpful and co-operative, but they feel that their hands are tied because the CAS agencies don't require a person to be registered with the College for the worker to work for the CAS agency.
As litigator said: "in fact they (CAS) prefer hiring unlicensed social workers so they can not be held accountable to any governing body."
The problem lies almost exclusively with the CAS agencies themselves (big surprise, eh?). I would venture a guess that the College would reduce the fees for each person if they were all obligated to be registered with said College.
Still, if I were making $50,000 plus a year looking after children's welfare, I would most certainly pay the fees, if not for the sole purpose of showing the parents that I agree to the standards set by the College, thereby giving the parents peace of mind.
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Post by fixchildrensaid on Jun 11, 2007 15:36:17 GMT -5
If that's the case, CAS ain't doin' the right thing here. My children's worker - the one who visits, writes and swears her affidavits and makes all the decisions - is only a "Child Protection Worker". Personally, based on what litigator said, I believe that it is because CAS wants the worker's ass on the line when I can finally expose the wrongdoing that CAS performed BEFORE she became the worker. If she was to read this and understand what is about to befall her, she may want to stop doing what she is doing[/color].[/quote] What are the odds? I wrote this Thursday and suddenly my children's worker, who is not registered with the College, is no longer my children's worker.... as of Friday.
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Post by td on Jun 11, 2007 16:02:33 GMT -5
To: fixchildrensaid" get the F%&k out of here?... dont know if it is coincidence, or any fact to that hypothesis,but, get all the evidence and facts together, then go from there! how did you find out if she was registered or not?
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Post by fixchildrensaid on Jun 11, 2007 17:20:16 GMT -5
To: fixchildrensaid" get the F%&k out of here?... dont know if it is coincidence, or any fact to that hypothesis,but, get all the evidence and facts together, then go from there! how did you find out if she was registered or not? I inquired (as can anybody) with the College of Social Workers and Social Service Workers... spoke to directly, and wrote a letter directly to Carolyn Daniels, who was very helpful: Carolyn Daniels, Deputy Registrar Toll-Free: 1-877-828-9380 Ext. 206 or e-mail: cdaniels@ocswssw.org Website is: www.ocswssw.orgLink to contacts page: www.ocswssw.org/sections/contact_info/contactinfo.htmlFor the record, I looked into five different CAS employees who have worked with my family. The most recent worker was never registered with the College, and, as of Friday, is no longer my children's worker, for whatever reason. Two others had their registration cancelled for, apparently unpaid dues. Not coincidentally, they were the least scrupulous of the other four.
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Post by td on Jun 11, 2007 17:28:44 GMT -5
thanks for the info!
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