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Post by Dean Robinson on Dec 10, 2007 11:07:32 GMT -5
Comment #15 — Christine
I wish someone could tell me how to conquer the CAS. My son is now four, I have been fighting them, and the man (my "best friend"), his step father--that decided he wants to keep him for 3 years. I cannot even win a single victory, the judge and CAS does not let me speak either in writing or in person...............................no one has control over them.
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Post by Dean Robinson on Dec 10, 2007 11:09:01 GMT -5
Comment #16 — elizabeth daniels Hello,
My name is Elizabeth
I have read your story and can only imagine what you have felt. I hope that all is well by now. If not, I would like to tell you the secret and what I believe helped me win my case. Keep it real at all times. The Society may tell you not to cry in front of the children or not to get angry at them. The police may say that they do not get involved in a CHILDREN'S AID CASE unless it is to support them. FIGHT THEM WITH EVERYTHING YOU HAVE. DO NOT GIVE UP BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO DO.
I had to take legal aid and you know what those lawyers are like. Most of my information, I had to file myself. I fought for 5 years and Just this past January my children were returned to me. I have lost my house. My job and just about any friends because I had to put my children's interest first. The Society went as far to say that I should give my kids up. I now have high blood pressure. Diabetis and some nights I wake up and check to see that my two boys are really home. They took my boys in feb 2002 and even though I won them in 2004 they kept on appealing the matter until they finally decided to give up. My boys were returned to me with a lot of anger as much like yours, they want us the mother to make it right. Now I have decided to sue the bastards. I tell them as it is. everything from fuck you to leave me alone. Much like you I want this to stop. My advise, always stay one step ahead of thee bastards. They are poisen and the world should know and see them for the spineless snakes that they are.
Sincerely,
Elizabeth
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Post by Dean Robinson on Dec 10, 2007 11:10:20 GMT -5
Comment #17 — Christine Hi Elizabeth (and all) I was surprised to find so many people going through the same thing as me. Unfortunately, things have only gotten worse. I have searched tirelessly night after night looking for answers. I figure someone, somewhere will be able to help. I have filed my answers too-the court 2 year anniversary came and went in February, the total time spend in this is now nearing 4 years. I am shamefully preparing for my next court date on March 20th, at which time I am requesting to go to trial despite disapproval from my (legal aid) lawyer, family, friends etc. I figure this will be the only way to have my voice heard. My son's step-father has falsley accused me of assaulting him, so I now have another court proceeding to contend with-but I assume that it will dismiss quickly, as there cannot possibly be any grounds-just another angle for him to attempt to break me down. Little does he know that although my health, now too is failing (I am only 29), I will not give up, even if it does kill me. My son and I will have our peace. I just wish it wasnt taking so long. I do not have money, tricks, connections, power, to help me..........I just hold strong to my belief that sooner or later someone HAS to listen. I dream of the day when my son doesnt have to leave me. I have been threatened that I cannot tell my son the truth about his "dad" (not being his real dad)-otherwise I will never see him again. This guy enrolled my son under a false name in JK last September in an attempt to stone wall me yet again-I caught it, but CAS still doesnt do anything about it "it is not a child protection issue". says CAS. He moved, changed babysitters, and enrolled him under a false name in school, ALL behind my back (and CAS's), ALL within the same week, then tried to deny it all when he got caught. That seems concerning to me....... ASk me about other incidents, I have LOTS more..................... To all reading this, if you are in a similar situation: fight fight fight. Catch me on a different day, and I may say give up, there is no hope. Reading things like this is all that keeps me going. My family and friends all care for me and only have my best interests in mind, but most wish I would give up for now, and hope that one day when my son is old enough, he will find me on his own. I just cannot do that; I love him (and he loves me) way too much. There has to be a way to topple the CAS. here is my email address for comments, suggestions, support, and constructive critic. daisy_angel1977@yahoo.ca
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Post by Dean Robinson on Dec 10, 2007 11:11:14 GMT -5
Comment #18 — marlene godfrey
Hello, My name is Marlene
I understand exactly what you are going through with those people.My family has been fighting for my grandsons for almost 18 months and it has been a living hell. This has been a living nightmare and somedays I feel which will never end, but one thing is for sure as what I have told them people as long as I am living and breathing we will never give up and that goes for you and your family because thats what they want us to do. As long as they have your children and my grandchildren they have jobs and money in there pockets. Most of these assholes we have had to deal with haven't even experienced being a parent it's all by a book, well you can't raise all children by a book because they are all different. I will be the first one to admit that I'm not perfect but then who is perfect. What makes my husband and I mad is they say if the boys were to be placed in our care that we would harm them mentally and physically and we would neglect them. They are so far from the truth,and they have traumitized those boys more then we would in a lifetime. Just don't give up whatever you do because believe me that is what they want.
yours truly,Marlene
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Post by Dean Robinson on Dec 10, 2007 11:12:47 GMT -5
Comment #19 — Matthew Estall
I hear you all! I was taken away from my mother when I was only 8 years old. The CAS tormented her by making her go through all these psychiatric assessments and everything like that. I am now 15 years old and I guess I turned out OK. I mean, I have a job and I live with my mom again (...well, not that the CAS know of), but NEVER GIVE UP! And to all those parents who have had their children taken, FIGHT!!! Do not let them win. If you give up, your children will grow up to be drug addicts, not finish high school, etc. Well, all the best of luck in all of your situations. Matt Estall Comment #20 — Matthew Estall
double post I hear you all! I was taken away from my mother when I was only 8 years old. The CAS tormented her by making her go through all these psychiatric assessments and everything like that. I am now 15 years old and I guess I turned out OK. I mean, I have a job and I live with my mom again (...well, not that the CAS know of), but NEVER GIVE UP! And to all those parents who have had their children taken, FIGHT!!! Do not let them win. If you give up, your children will grow up to be drug addicts, not finish high school, etc. Well, all the best of luck in all of your situations. Matt Estall
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Post by Dean Robinson on Dec 10, 2007 11:13:52 GMT -5
Comment #21 — Judith
Hello all!
My name is Judith and I have been through seven years of hell with the CAS. My son was taken from me at the age of eight and has been in foster care and in and out of group homes until the age of fifteen. He has been through more than anyone can imagine and is finally speaking out about his terrible ordeal. He has ran away from every group home that the CAS has placed him in and the CAS considers him AWAL. Don't they understand that he does not want to be in these houses of horror and only wants to be free? He is almost sixteen and is trying now to get his life on track. I have thought about suing the CAS for the damages they have caused him but I know this is a difficult battle. The CAS lawyers cover up everything and pretend that nothing ever happened. I will never give up hope that my son will turn out OK and become a responsible adult.
To all those parents out there who have been through a similar nightmare, don't give up and fight for your kids!
Judith
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Post by Dean Robinson on Dec 10, 2007 11:14:40 GMT -5
Comment #22 — Shannon
Hello all My name is shannon and as you all I am going through hell with cas and what is hurting me the most is I was hit by a car 7 years ago and was put on disability and now cas is going after my disability. I have 3 wonderful children which I love and I am fight with cas to keep them but every time I turn around I can't do anything right...I have had cas on with me since I had my first child 7 years ago and ever time the 6 month is up they give me new court papers and now it is worse because they are going after memory problem...I hear a lot of you saying not to give up which I am trying not to but its hard when they drive you down. My oldest is also scared he is going to be taken..I really do wish somehow use parent could do something but we can't..I guess all we can do is hope some day and some how the children aid society will change to work with family insted of kidnap our children and put them in worse thing... I do know what cas put kids into because when I was 16 I told them were to go put they did take my sister and now she is messed up from there putting her in home after home
I hope the best to all
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Post by Dean Robinson on Dec 10, 2007 11:16:04 GMT -5
Comment #23 — anonymous
Its about money. If social services identifies you as needy, government has a big decision to make. If they give the young mother the money that they now give to the CAS and the foster parents, this will encourage huge welfare rolls. Since Harris, this pathetic middle class of Canada with too much money that looks bad with shrunken brains from narrow experience, hates the poor. If you don't care about money and are young, you are a target. You can't just have a kid. You have to have an abortion. And if you don't, they seize your kid (if your a teenager or young or your family disowns you or they sniff out your financial 'attitude').
and then, you can read a blog like this that can drone on for a bit about the Foster parent's rights without even mentioning the ACTUAL parents. They don't count at all in the middle class mentality, that is paying for the Foster Care.
This middle class thinks all social services are in fact Charity. They are a sorry bunch.
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Post by Dean Robinson on Dec 10, 2007 11:17:09 GMT -5
Comment #24 — Brandon
Well, we have the CAS, a bunch of lying and manipulative bastards - especially some "worker" named Tammy Lockyer. She stole my son from my home and put him through a nightmare, all I'm waiting for is just the day when he turns 18 and is finally free to come home where he belongs.
My sympathy to all of you,
Brandon
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Post by Dean Robinson on Dec 10, 2007 11:18:15 GMT -5
Comment #25 — Andrew
I agree, CAS should be abolished and all these pathetic, untrained, fanatic, child abusers forbidden to not only be around children, but should be forbidden to have their own children. The amount of damage they cause with their lies to children is unbelievable. With so many children dying each year under CAS direct care it is hard to swallow the fact that this corporation is still alllowed to operate in this country. This organization is full of absolute psychopaths. The public is slowly being informed of this unlawful, corrupt organization and The Children's Aid Society has reacted to this pressure lately being running a bunch of new commercials pushing their own importance. Too many children have died in the system, we refer to these poor children as the children who have been protected to death by The Children's Aid Society.
CAS is the real child abusers and exposure and their own fanatic beliefs are slowly destroying them. Change is coming everyone, get ready to sue them as they are a private corporation and once the levy breaks so will the organization known as Children's Aid Society. The citizens are starting to educate themselves on the truth.
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Post by Dean Robinson on Dec 10, 2007 11:19:31 GMT -5
Comment #26 — charmaine
Were do cas get off ruining happy familys does any one not make at least 1 mistake this is what is happening to me april 21 2006 my spouse and i had a domestic disput no police involvement but my 8 year old saw some of it so she told her class teacher and they called cas. cas stated they wanted us to seperate for a while and for him to seek counselling and then he could return then in march of 07' i asked what my kinark worker (special needs worker) thought i should do because back in that fight he was drunk and said for me to watch it if i ever left him. i only was wondering how to ask if that was still something i had to worry about without opening heald wounds because we where doing great i just thought about what would ever happen so thy called cas and cas gave me three days to leave or my kids would be gone which was confussing because everything was actually great. so i went into shelter and got housing and called him to say that the girls and i were ok and i was sorry they told me i could not tell him what was going on so my 5 year old over heard me talking to him and asked to speak to him and she invited him to her b-day we started spending alot of time together he was enjoying spending time with the girl even thoughthey are not his biological,he still treats them like they are!anyways my service contract stated the children weere to have no contact with him without permission from cas. Tonight they came and tried to take the kids and threatened if they see him or communicate in any way they would be taken they cant even say hi through any body they dont want to loose there dad and i dont blame them he has straightened up alot just to have his family back!they said i can see him whenever but no communicating for the kids what can i do ?
Comment #27 — charmaine 2007-10-12 01:22:08 · edit
thankyou can someone please help im falling apart my family is scared of the loss
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Post by Dean Robinson on Dec 10, 2007 11:20:40 GMT -5
Comment #28 — maria
Dear Charmaine,
I cried when I read this because I really feel for you. I am going through pretty much the same thing right now, except I lost my kids. They told me I had to leave him and I did but without him a part of me was missing. We kept in touch although we weren,t together and he would spend the night sometimes without the children knowing. CAS got news of this and took my kids.
I feel I have no support from them, they make me feel inferior. Instead of working with me to help me get my children back it seems they try to keep me down. No parent is perfect, we all make mistakes, I made some bad choices but I am a damn good mother. Even though I am not middle class and cannot provide brand name clothes and cannot keep up with the Jones' my children are very well loved and the bond we have is very strong. I nursed all four of them and brought them up the best I could. My children are well rounded pretty normal kids. My heart breaks for them because their world is turned upside down now. They have been in care for eight months now and my oldest attended three different schools, it is a good thing she is pretty resilient and can adjust well to new situations. I am sure she is affected by all this because she damn well hates the cas. My kids can't wait to be returned back to me. They look forward to our visits and it hurts them terribly to have to leave their home every week and return to their "new homes". I have been through alot since this all happened. I am a pretty level headed person but they bring me feel out of control and make me feel there is something "Wrong" with me.
Honestly,for all you reading this..... what is more harmful to a child- to see their parents fight or to be ripped out of their loving mother's arms and be placed with strangers. You be the judge.
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Post by Dean Robinson on Dec 10, 2007 11:21:47 GMT -5
Comment #29 — Melanie Bourgelas
I HAVE A MAJOR ISUE WITH THESE MONEY HUNGRY BITCHES. CAS ARE THE WORST SOCIETY AGENCY EVER PUT UP. THEY DON'T INVESTIGATE LIKE THERE TOLD TO, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT OUR CHILDREN, THEY ARE ONLY THERE FOR THE MONEY, THE ONLY REASON THEY TAKE OUR CHILDREN IS TO SECURE THERE NEXT PAY CHECK. I AGREE THERE ARE SOME CHILDREN IN NEED OF PROTECTION, BUT TO INVESTIGATE, BEFORE TAKING ACTION.
MY DAUGHTER WAS APREHENDED FOR A COMPLAINT CAS GOT ABOUT ME SMOKING WEED. WHO FUCKING CARES, SHE WAS ALWAYS TAKEN CARE OF, ALWAYS CLEAN, FULL STOMACH, NEVER WENT WITHOUT NOTHING. I ONLY SMOKE A FEW PUFFS OF A JOINT BEFORE GOING TO BED, THIS WAS MY WAY OF RELAXING FROM MY BUSY MOTHERHOOD DAY,READING A BOOK, OR TAKING A BATH WITH A FEW PUFFS TO HELP ME GO TO BED.
THIS WAS NNNOOO REASON FOR TAKING MY BABY, NOW SHE IS IN A PLACE SHE HATES TO BE, SHE TELLS HER LAWYER THAT MOMMY NEVER HIT HER,NEVER YELLED, AND IS ALWAYS HAPPY WITH HER, SHE TELLS HER LAWYER SHE WANTS TO BE HOME WITH MOMMY, AND THAT SHE MISSES ME, ALL THIS FROM A 3 YEAR OLD. LIKE COMME ON, IF I WAS SO BAD AND NIGLECTED HER,BECAUSE OF WEED(NEVER), SHE'D BE ABLE TO TELL HER LAWYER THAT. BUT NO, KHIANA(MY DAUGHTER) HAS NEVER SAID A BAD THING ABOUT ME. SHE CRIES AND FREAKS OUT EVERY VISIT I HAVE WITH HER(EVERY MONDAY AND THURSDAYS) SHE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHY SHE CAN'T BE WITH ME, HER LITTLE HEART IS BROKEN AND TROMATISED, AND THEY SAY THERE ARE IN THE BUSINESS FOR THE CHILD'S BEST INTEREST.. BULL SHIT, THEY HURT ME AND MY ANGEL,THEY DID NOT HELP IN ANY WAY. THEY ARE TARING MY DAUGHTER APART....... SOCIETY IS BULL SHIT, AND NEEDS TO BE LOOKED INTO ALOT STRONGER. THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD REALLY THINK ABOUT SETTING UP A HIGHER SOCIETY TO OVER LOOK THESE ASSHOLES...
MY DAUGHTER AND I ABSALUTLY DID NOT DESERVE THIS, SHE NEEDS TO RETURN TO HER HOME. YOU TELL ME IF THERE'S ANYTHING SADDER THEN SEING YOUR BABY GIRL BEING RIPPED OUT OF YOUR ARMS, SCREAMING AND HITTING THE WORKER CUZ SHE WANTS TO BE WITH YOU, AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO, BUT TO GIVE IT TIME , TO PROVE YOURSELF..................... I HATE YOU GUYS ALL(CAS). AND I DON'T CARE WHO READS THIS, THEY NEED TO HEAR IT. AND MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HER MOTHER.
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Post by Dean Robinson on Dec 10, 2007 11:23:04 GMT -5
Comment #30 — Gino Grady
Can someone give me some advice on how to deal and answer CAS questions, about disciplining ure child
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Post by Dean Robinson on Dec 10, 2007 11:24:08 GMT -5
Comment #31 — Pamela The CAS is a disgrace to child welfare. Since the death of the dooly child that was under watch of a CAS child, they have made it sooo easy to take children from their homes... all they need is words on paper. Evidence is a thing of the past in the family courts system. My daughter was taken from me when she was 8 years old. They accused me of leaving my daughter at home alone while I went out and "partied". First of all, anyone who knows me, knows I DONT DRINK and I DONT PARTY. Short of going to every bar in Toronto and requesting them to sign a document asking if they recognise me as a regular patron, you are left playing the "he said, she said" game which a family can NEVER win against thanks to the CAS getting all the credibility with the judge. I finally went to my MPP. My daughter was returned 2 weeks later (this is after a 2 year fight), I got a letter of apology and they closed my case. One year later, I met a wonderful man (my finance) my daughter and I both love. He lives in a great area in the chicago suburbs. CAS kidnapped my daughter from his care while I was visiting in TO stating "you abandoned her with some guy". And they used Homeland Security to do it. They aparently contacted Department of Child and Family Services on "numerous occasions" but in USA the DCFS investigates based on evidence... not just bullshit words on paper and according to my latest court documents DCFS didnt investigate. (you would think maybe because they are more aware of the area I lived in.... example... the school system is in the top 2% of the entire USA, the crime rate is the lowest in the chicago area, and it is a tight, close family community) So they contacted the toronto police child explotation unit, making a claim that I "smuggled my daughter across the border and sold her to some guy". Homeland Security apprehended my daughter and my finace, interrogated both of them for hours before contacting me. Found NO VALIDITY to the CAS accusations and even apologized to my Finance. THey called me, (at 11pm at night) and told me they dont know the state laws and as far as they are concerned my Finance is not her legal guardian. They told me to get back to chicago asap and they would release her and I could get documentation from my lawyer in IL stating the facts and the law. Well, I had an hour to get downtown to the bay street bus station and on a bus, which I did. By the time I got to chicago, CAS has spun their web of BULLSHIT around Homeland Security, and convinced them with my so called "documented past" (which let me remind you they apologized to me for a year before hand) that my parenting was under question. NOw first of all... if any of the original accusations were found true... both my finace and I would be both arrested. Neither of us have been. My daughter is now 14, back in the CAS's care, my finace is here with me in Toronto and we are trying to get her back. Funny thing... all those things they apologized for in the past, are all back in the court papers as if they are legit. My daughter's will to fight is almost at an end. She told me "Mom, if we dont win this round, I cant fight anymore" My heart is breaking and my will has been tried and tried again. People in the system are trying to buy her, fill her head with BS, (they did a psycho-educational assessment on my daughter and told her for 2 years she was disabled.... when I got her back from them and got her tested through the school board she qualified for gifted school with 98 percentile.... that didnt stop them from saying in the court documents..."mother is out of touch with her daughter's needs.... child is not gifted like mother claims but disabled and mother has unrealistic expectations of her daughter"..... I cant wait to not only go infront of the review commitee but I want to go to the supreme court of canada with my charter of rights and get this wrong made right. Not just for me and my daughter, but for all the other families out there who I have witnessed over the years having their will broken and their children lost. One thing I can say... if you are currently in a battle with the CAS over BS.... go to www.canadacourtwatch.com those people empowered me and my daughter (teaching her her REAL rights) the first time I got my daughter back. AND NEVER EVER MEET WITH A CAS WORKER WITHOUT A TAPE RECORDER. But becareful... if the CAS finds out your child is meeting with advocates and learning their rights... they will stop your visitations. God Bless all who have had to deal with the wrath of the childrens aid society. May he keep us strong until true justice is served.
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