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Post by crabbypatty on Dec 3, 2006 0:16:44 GMT -5
This is becoming ridiculous! I'm the enemy here because I had the audacity to question why someone might have lost custody of their kids? Sorry but I think that's a pretty important part of the equation and I wondered why there were no details about that if the mother was totally blameless in their removal. O.k. "crazy", I'll bite. What is it that has you so bent out of shape about my other posts, leading you to conclude that I have a "disrespecting problem"? I don't feel that I have personally attacked anyone. If you think it's disrespectful to question someone about their situation (which they have posted on a public forum, by the way), then maybe you're just a bit too sensitive. Doesn't anyone understand the point I was trying to make in the first place, before this turned into a cat fight?
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Post by christine on Dec 3, 2006 2:00:16 GMT -5
the reason she went to the public because she was not getting justice in the family court and something needed to be done..and she had the backbone to expose these people for there lies and even not putting a name to the family thye can sometimes go after that family you should read her site that was taken done a real eye opener it was shut down in Canada but some mirror sites in Russia etc have been set up so the story stay as per judging CAS or certain workers they need to be held accountable for their actions and lies that they have presented before the courts it is a criminal offence call prejury Cathy's son came up with the name casinternment as he was doing a school project on the internment camps ""Internment" is the imprisonment or confinement of people, commonly in large groups, without due process of law and a trial. It also refers to the practice of neutral countries in time of war detaining belligerent armed forces and equipment which enter their territory under the Second Hague Convention." here are the mirror sites ..they load slow Russian mirror site cas911.narod.ru/France mirror site cas911.ifrance.com/
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Post by REALITY on Dec 3, 2006 8:25:33 GMT -5
I would support and sign a general petition regarding the CAS. I would not sign any petition, CAS involvement or anything else for that matter that was personally based. I do not have personal involvement with what most petitions are about. How do I know what I am really signing for. I have to agree with Crabby Patty. Not because I am judgmental, but because I am of the idea that we sign petitions to further our personal beliefs. How are we to make a decission on our beliefs when we don't know the facts. Every story has 2 sides and I would need to personally review both sides before I put my name down as supporting any one side. I do not want personal facts in this case. I do not support personal petitions. I would just like people to know that there are others besides Crabby Patty that feal the same way. Nothing against any petitioner here or elswhere. This is just my personal opinion on why I wouldn't just blindly sign every petition that comes my way.
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Dec 3, 2006 11:47:26 GMT -5
Post by Dean Robinson on Dec 3, 2006 11:47:26 GMT -5
I would support and sign a general petition regarding the CAS. I would not sign any petition, CAS involvement or anything else for that matter that was personally based. I do not have personal involvement with what most petitions are about. How do I know what I am really signing for. I have to agree with Crabby Patty. Not because I am judgmental, but because I am of the idea that we sign petitions to further our personal beliefs. How are we to make a decission on our beliefs when we don't know the facts. Every story has 2 sides and I would need to personally review both sides before I put my name down as supporting any one side. I do not want personal facts in this case. I do not support personal petitions. I would just like people to know that there are others besides Crabby Patty that feal the same way. Nothing against any petitioner here or elswhere. This is just my personal opinion on why I wouldn't just blindly sign every petition that comes my way. everyone has their opinion and act on the secondary reason we most of the people sign this one is to bring accountability to the workers and management of the CAS. You being from Hamilton must see some of the corruption. people want to believe that this group is all about the children, and I believe that there is a handful of workers that are there doing the job for the children. my problem with it is every time someone does stand up to these people they become targets just read Cathy's words cas911.narod.ru/ Im myself was a product of the CA'S lie machine I'm not saying that we need to stop there work but we need to have a party look over them and if they commit a crime they should be subject to the same laws that you or I have to. you lie thats obstruct justice. you go to jail thats it thats all. has the CAS lied? of coarse reed the paper on Tuesday,watch the news, and remember this is just the spending habits of only 4 locations. I'm in Sarnia and the workers here have a fleet of new vehicles. the board here has nice new cars as well but if your making over a hundred grand a year you can afford to buy your own car. Instead of taking the money I them out of my taxes to buy cars go on family trips and $4000 gym memberships give it to the lower income families that could use it ,
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Dec 3, 2006 12:16:57 GMT -5
Post by REALITY on Dec 3, 2006 12:16:57 GMT -5
I agree 100% that the CAS needs accountability. Not more accountability because in my opinion they do not have any now. I am involved with the CAS currently. (not for taking my children, but they are involved with my family). I am working with a reasonably good social worker. I agree that the system needs to change. Not just with the CAS but with the family courts, police, laws and the way the public sees and judges people involved in the system. I do not agree with the all consuming and all self serving powers the CAS has and the control they have over the police and the lack of laws that govern the CAS. I have been paying close attention to the "goings on" of the CAS for a year now and have been educating myself and others on the problems and the solutions. Unfortunatly the voices of the people involved with CAS are never heard. The general population believes that the CAS is doing good and since they are about children, could not be in the wrong. You are guilty until proven inocent in the CAS world and court. I stick to my beliefs in regards to signing petitions. I can not blindly sign a petition not knowing what I am really signing for. A general petition to make the CAS accountable and law abiding I would sign. This is just good for the general population and the children. To sign a personal petition without knowing the people invovled or the full story would not be in anyone's best interests. All personal stories are the same. The CAS took my children and they had no right. Even when they do have a right to interveen the parents will still not agree. Some children need protecting. It's a simple fact. Without knowing the details, how do you know which children need protecting and which children are being victimized?
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Dec 3, 2006 13:39:52 GMT -5
Post by barbiejoe on Dec 3, 2006 13:39:52 GMT -5
This is becoming ridiculous! I'm the enemy here because I had the audacity to question why someone might have lost custody of their kids? Sorry but I think that's a pretty important part of the equation and I wondered why there were no details about that if the mother was totally blameless in their removal. O.k. "crazy", I'll bite. What is it that has you so bent out of shape about my other posts, leading you to conclude that I have a "disrespecting problem"? I don't feel that I have personally attacked anyone. If you think it's disrespectful to question someone about their situation (which they have posted on a public forum, by the way), then maybe you're just a bit too sensitive. Doesn't anyone understand the point I was trying to make in the first place, before this turned into a cat fight? I understand what you are saying BUT at the same time my whole story is none of your business I mean no disrespect but for all I know you could be some busy body that just wanted to have something to gossip about and thats not why my soon-to-be- husband started the petition. We want to help family who need help getting justice for their kids and for someone to listen to us. In your case maybe you never dealt with the CAS so you wouldn't know what its like being judged on everything in your life and having it used against you as a reason to keep your kids away from you. you see 5 yrs ago I made the mistake of telling CAS I was sexually abused as a child for 4 yrs and for 12 yrs as an adult my file has gone to over 1000 pages of lies about me and what I have done to my kids. Wouldn't you want to get someone to listen to what you had to say? Wouldn't you want to keep your kids safe from the abuse your kids were suffering in the foster home and having someone cover up what is going on in the foster home. If you watch the news you would see that the foster homes are not as perfect as they want us to believe. A child trying to kill herself another winding up in a physcriatic hospital another being verbally& emotially abused something needs to be done. Maybe you should have asked for more info instead of saying she could be a drug addict needing time, when you are judged for 5 yrs on everything, you don't want it done from the people you depend on to help protect your kids and keep them safe. If you want more info ask me I will tell you my kids need all the help we can get. I wasn't attacking you I just don't want to be judged before you know who I am and what my story is. I need help to keep my kids alive I don't want my kids to end up dead because of the crap that is going on in the foster home and the CAS workers sitting blindly by saying it isn't happening. I am begging for help to save my kids.
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Dec 3, 2006 14:00:30 GMT -5
Post by barbiejoe on Dec 3, 2006 14:00:30 GMT -5
. The general population believes that the CAS is doing good and since they are about children, could not be in the wrong. You are guilty until proven inocent in the CAS world and court. I stick to my beliefs in regards to signing petitions. I can not blindly sign a petition not knowing what I am really signing for. A general petition to make the CAS accountable and law abiding I would sign. This is just good for the general population and the children. To sign a personal petition without knowing the people invovled or the full story would not be in anyone's best interests. All personal stories are the same. The CAS took my children and they had no right. Even when they do have a right to interveen the parents will still not agree. Some children need protecting. It's a simple fact. Without knowing the details, how do you know which children need protecting and which children are being victimized? The reason the general public thinks that the CAS is doing a good job because they don't deal with the CAS on a daily bases they see what the CAS wants them to see you have to go through it to know what its like. How you learn is to ask for more info don't assume you know, you know what assuming does. Kids die in foster homes kids taken out of foster homes because the conditions were unfit for these kids to be in that foster home hmmm someone must of missed that one to say the CAS is doing a good job. It is your choice to not sign but don't assume to know about me not everyone is out to stick it to the perfect CAS.My question to you is how can we help these kids if people see your negativity out here people won't want to sign and these kids will not get the help the despratily need. Please if you have questions ask don't put negativity in this petition my kids don't need anymore negativity in their lives. I mean no respect but the petition is about helping the kids.
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Dec 3, 2006 14:24:33 GMT -5
Post by friend on Dec 3, 2006 14:24:33 GMT -5
ok lets get passed the cas taking the children for one moment.....let's say the parent calls and asks for help with some behavioral problems, the cas is supposed to keep families together, that's their mandate, so the supervisor told me, we they came to "help" and didnt keep the family together, I lost my son for 4 years, I fought the lies, the corruption, and the lack of respect or understanding for my child. The stories you will hear in the times to come will differ in situations but.....the cas act the same in every situation, they lie in court documents, they lie to parents and children, but famillies are getting smarter, they are learning how to fight the corruption, getting these liars on tape, video, and taking a stand in cort by sueing this organization......my childs file will be closed Dec 6 2006, and then his law suit will begin, but i have to have in my custody and file closed or they will come back and "TRY" and takke him back......one lady I know charged a worker in civil court, guess what, they still have her children because of this, when will it stop, it will stop when people are a little more educated to the point that cas rape, mentally abuse, physically abuse, and murder children while in their care, only one or two are put in the news, so public thinking is well not that bad is it, YES IT IS, one child is to many, but this is happening to thousands of children. I dont understand why anyone would want to know both sides of a story when a child is being abused it just baffles me. Please educate your self, read the stories on the net, google cas corruption. NO kids, NO funding, NO funding, NO jobs......it comes down to the dollar, and they are even stealing that from the children who it's supposed to be used on......If you dont want to sign a petition, dont sign it, but dont judge becuase you dont know both sides, you never will, cas will tell you shit, so you will only ever have one side of the story, and I can tell you the parent story is the truth......or why wouldnt cas tell you, because they are hiding behind the lies and covering their own ass. you can email me at cascritic@hotmail.com........if you want MY story, maybe you want to talk to my child who will tell you the horrifying situations he was put in, while the cas was protecting him.....BS.....or I can give the workers name and you can contact her to see what her side of the story is, lol, but good luck.
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Dec 3, 2006 14:42:35 GMT -5
Post by barbiejoe on Dec 3, 2006 14:42:35 GMT -5
ok lets get passed the cas taking the children for one moment.....let's say the parent calls and asks for help with some behavioral problems, the cas is supposed to keep families together, that's their mandate, so the supervisor told me, we they came to "help" and didnt keep the family together, I lost my son for 4 years, I fought the lies, the corruption, and the lack of respect or understanding for my child. The stories you will hear in the times to come will differ in situations but.....the cas act the same in every situation, they lie in court documents, they lie to parents and children, but famillies are getting smarter, they are learning how to fight the corruption, getting these liars on tape, video, and taking a stand in cort by sueing this organization......my childs file will be closed Dec 6 2006, and then his law suit will begin, but i have to have in my custody and file closed or they will come back and "TRY" and takke him back......one lady I know charged a worker in civil court, guess what, they still have her children because of this, when will it stop, it will stop when people are a little more educated to the point that cas rape, mentally abuse, physically abuse, and murder children while in their care, only one or two are put in the news, so public thinking is well not that bad is it, YES IT IS, one child is to many, but this is happening to thousands of children. I dont understand why anyone would want to know both sides of a story when a child is being abused it just baffles me. Please educate your self, read the stories on the net, google cas corruption. NO kids, NO funding, NO funding, NO jobs......it comes down to the dollar, and they are even stealing that from the children who it's supposed to be used on......If you dont want to sign a petition, dont sign it, but dont judge becuase you dont know both sides, you never will, cas will tell you shit, so you will only ever have one side of the story, and I can tell you the parent story is the truth......or why wouldnt cas tell you, because they are hiding behind the lies and covering their own ass. you can email me at cascritic@hotmail.com........if you want MY story, maybe you want to talk to my child who will tell you the horrifying situations he was put in, while the cas was protecting him.....BS.....or I can give the workers name and you can contact her to see what her side of the story is, lol, but good luck. GOD BLESS YOU you know what I am saying and you are not judging me all I want to do is protect my kids till I can have them come home. I was basically forced into signing my kids to be crownwards everyone telling me including my lawyer I wouldn't win against the CAS. UNLESS YOU GO THROUGH THIS THATS WHEN AND ONLY THEN YOU WILL KNOW WHATS REALLY GOING ON. My kids need me to be strong and fight for them. When a child shows you her arms after she cut it up wanting to die thinking it would help me if she died thats when I stopped caring how the CAS would puinish me for standing up for my kids. If people watch the news read the newspapers they will see whats really going on but only if they want to see whats going on. Some people see it but don't want to acknowledge whats really going on out of fear of what will happen to them or they might have a good CAS worker and think all these parents are making these stories up but why would we lie what would we gain from lying. If I lied I would give the CAS more ammunition to keep my kids longer. I am done living in fear of the CAS.
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Dec 3, 2006 14:50:23 GMT -5
Post by friend on Dec 3, 2006 14:50:23 GMT -5
Barbiejoe, I know your story because my child and I have been vicimized by this corrupt organization......If you like you can email me and i will add you to my MNS....If you need help or information, please let me know, im here to help the victims of cas, and there are thousands....god speed to you and your family.
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Dec 3, 2006 15:06:02 GMT -5
Post by barbiejoe on Dec 3, 2006 15:06:02 GMT -5
Barbiejoe, I know your story because my child and I have been vicimized by this corrupt organization......If you like you can email me and i will add you to my MNS....If you need help or information, please let me know, im here to help the victims of cas, and there are thousands....god speed to you and your family.[/quote I was unable to add you and maybe you could add me to yours I have to step out for a bit but hope to hear from you soon
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Dec 3, 2006 17:28:59 GMT -5
Post by REALITY on Dec 3, 2006 17:28:59 GMT -5
I would just like to say that I am not judging anyone. I am sorry that you feel that I am. I do not need to know anyone's story to know that the CAS is corrupt. My only point is that I personally can not sign a petition without proper knowledge of the situation. I was just trying to let Crabby Patty know that they are not the only ones that think this way. Lets change the petition just for argument sake. Someone has been fired from their job, they say that it was through no fault of their own. They want their job back and want you to sign a petition to help them get their job back. Will you do it? Do you know what is really going on? Do you know if they should really have their job back? We can't know that. So why sign it? I would sign a petition brought against the company for better personell policies, hiring and firing policies etc. if this was the companies problem. Even a judge in court would not look at a petition and take it seriously, and for the very reasons many people would not sign one. I wish all the best to you and your family. I hope that you will be able to prove to the court that your children need to be home with you. I know a lot about the system now and educate myself everyday. I am on the same side as the rest of the people fighting for an accountable child protection agency who is governed by someone other than themselves. I am sorry if you were offended personally by any remarks that I have made, but they were not intended as a response to "your" petition, just petitions in general.
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Dec 4, 2006 13:39:47 GMT -5
Post by barbiejoe on Dec 4, 2006 13:39:47 GMT -5
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING REALITY BUT HOW CAN WE HELP THESE KIDS (AND THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT) HOW CAN WE HELP THEM IF PEOPLE SEE OTHER PEOPLE QUESTIONING THE PETITION. MY GOAL IS TO PROTECT MY KIDS AND OTHER KIDS FROM ANY HARM FROM THE CAS. A CHILD WANTING TO DIE WHILE IN FOSTER CARE IS NOT NORMAL. THAT NEVER HAPPENED TILL THE CAS TOOK AWAY TWO OF MY FOUR VISITS A MONTH MY KIDS HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH HELL BECAUSE NO ONE WILL LISTEN TO THEM OR US. SO IF YOU WANT TO LEARN MORE ASK DON'T MAKE IT SO OTHER PEOPLE SHY AWAY FROM SIGNING THE PETITION. HERE IS MY E-MAIL barbiejo1967@hotmail.com here is my fiancee's email steve-2-toes@hotmail.com ask us we will talk.
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Dec 4, 2006 14:40:28 GMT -5
Post by crabbypatty on Dec 4, 2006 14:40:28 GMT -5
Thanks 'Reality' for coming forward and letting people know that there are more people out there who feel this way. I was beginning to think I had entered the twilight zone by joining this forum. The rest of you don't seem to be willing to look past your "I hate CAS" feelings and even attempt to understand the real point of my post. Since I said something that went against the grain, I became the villain. If I'm not for you, I must be against you, right? It's obvious by your replies that most of you seem to think I'm defending CAS or at least that I'm denying the corruption that exists there. I appreciate all of your efforts to convince me of these things, but I've already stated that I am aware of it. I was never in disagreement with anyone on that point. So far no one but 'Reality' is getting that. I'm not a CAS worker and I've never had any personal involvement with them. I am not trying to discount your personal stories by any means. I'm also not some 'busybody' just looking for something to gossip about, as I was accused of as well. Why would I "gossip" about strangers? That doesn't even make sense. Once again, I'll try to get my point to sink in. As I said before, the 'vagueness' of the petition--only stating that you needed "time to deal (with?) things" and that the kids were to be returned in a few weeks--leaves too much to the imagination and too much room for speculation. People are left to wonder why CAS became involved with your family in the first place. If you're going to include those statements in your petition, then I feel you should be prepared to include the meaning of them. Elaborate on them so that people aren't left guessing and in a lot of cases assuming the worst about you. You fear being judged but are creating a situation for yourself where that is exactly what will happen. At no time did I say that you, barbiejoe, were a drug addict needing time to get clean. Go back and read it, it was hypothetical. I meant that someone could jump to that conclusion about you from reading the petition since there was very little information provided and what is there is ambiguous to say the least. It leaves too many questions that would prevent a lot of people from signing it. They will read it and think "why did CAS step in in the first place?", "did this woman willingly hand her kids over to them, and if so, why?" and most importantly "what are these 'things' she was needing to deal with for a few weeks?" Some people would need those questions answered before adding their names to the list. I must say though, 'Reality' has a better idea. It would be much more beneficial to your credibility and you would gather more signatures if you left all personal details out and just had a general petition regarding corruption and accountability within CAS. That would be a good alternative to letting everyone know all the personal details of your story. But for suggesting that, 'Reality' also got jumped on and was chastised for bringing more negativity into your childrens' lives. I didn't find her post negative at all. She was trying to be helpful and giving some constructive criticism. Barbiejoe, you have me thoroughly confused. One minute you're telling me that I should ask questions if I have them instead of jumping to conclusions, then the next minute you're telling me that your story is none of my business. Which is it? What prompted me to post in this thread in the first place was that I was surprised at how many people had already signed the petition only having those few facts available to them. I understand now that people with axes to grind don't concern themselves with details, they just go ahead and sign. The rest of us who dare to question you are (in your opinion) just disrespectful and out to harm your cause. That is not the case. Although I completely agree with your cause, it's simply the wording of your petition that bothers me.
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Dec 4, 2006 15:26:57 GMT -5
Post by Dean Robinson on Dec 4, 2006 15:26:57 GMT -5
thank you Crabby I understand what your saying. the pition is not mine. but I do agree that the wording of it could be changed to bring more accountability to the Ontario CAS. something along the line like the rest of the county. every other province is over seen by the onbudsmen but ontario.
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