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Post by Prepared not logged in on Mar 31, 2007 0:50:51 GMT -5
It's kind of funny that you would say that without recognizing the irony in your statement. We got into this pickle because society deemed certain members to "be intelligent" and others to be not so. There is an unwritten law or principle that recognizes the affluent as being intelligent and the poor to be average or less intelligent. As a result, the poor tend to levitate to positions of power by virtue of assumed intelligence. The logic is that a person must be smart because he/she was smart enough to make a lot of money. I should have proofread that before I pressed the submit button. The fourth sentence should read: As a result, the wealthy tend to levitate to positions of power by virtue of assumed intelligence. I erroneously stated that the poor levitated to positions of power by virtue of assumed intelligence. We all know this to be untrue. The poor typically do not levitate at all. Not unless they happen to stumble into something by sheer luck or circumstance. And that's rare.
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Post by Prepared not logged in on Mar 31, 2007 1:02:54 GMT -5
If you remember in American being homeless was not always looked down at so harshly.. Same thing here that happed their they turned being mean to the homeless into a social acceptable thing.. Wasn't that during the dirty thirties? (The Great Depression) Back then there was a certain romanticsm about riding the rails and travelling the country to earn a buck. Times were tough and the men of the era were quite different than what we see now. Back then people wanted to work but couldn't find work. So they went to great lengths to find work. Today you see a whole other dynamic. Unemployment is relatively low -- between 4 and 6% -- and there's a lot of people that just don't want to work. 4% unemployment, by the way, is typically regarded as full employment. In other words, everybody that wants a job, has one. But you're right in a very real sense. Poverty didn't always have the same stigma that it does today. But that's more a product of our increasingly commercial society and a result of our hunger for popular culture. "Keeping up with the Jones'" is really a rather recent concept. Probably first rearing it's ugly head in the post-war (W.W. II) era. This was a time of televison and baby-making. Times were swinging and money was abundant. The Fonz lived in a time called "Happy Days" for a reason.
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Post by bizzi on Mar 31, 2007 8:11:36 GMT -5
Well said man. Well said.
Today you see a whole other dynamic. Unemployment is relatively low -- between 4 and 6% -- and there's a lot of people that just don't want to work. 4% unemployment, by the way, is typically regarded as full employment. In other words, everybody that wants a job, has one.
Some people just don't have the skills to get a job.. or the social skills. Or have people phobias all kinds of reasons.. For those who don't want to work being poor is their punishment... But for those who are not... like the thousands of children that have been growing up in care their whole lives and hit the streets when their 18 of course they don't want to work. And when they turn to adults they still don't want to work.... But lucky for them fostercare tought them out to survive with out having to work.. lying stealing, breaking into homes, I know I was one of them... Until someone took the time to show me how to be normal... while the people who were paid to do it.. turned me into an animal, I could not have had a 9-5 job or I would have stolen everything I could have...
People are the sum of everything they have seen and heard... All of us humans beings are capable of being intelligent. But it's something you have to work hard for. I know.... I grew up not able to read and write math was not a thing I understood... Friendship dynamics at school... I was one of those dumb poor people you referred to... I was purposely raised that way. To help create employment and to fill the jails and not to realize it. But I choose to not go that path. It was programed into me... but with enough work (frustration) I was able to replace the learned behaviors from care/juvenile jail with other ones.. but I had to find role models to learn from and in care all I seen in care was people like me... staff kids alike. I had seek out information, then had to communicate with people to seek others intelligences.. then I had to learn how to do math.. (Made a pretty crappy dealer if you can't do math. Was wired I used to hide in libraries while I was on the run... I would try to read what I could my reading skills blew ass. If it was not a homeless dumb bum I would not have learned how to write at all and read the way I do. Or be able to articulate my thoughts into this primitive one dimensional form of communication.
I was not smart all along... then just stumbled upon it. If your assuming, you can't possibly be learning anything. Most stupid people give themselves away in their first 2-3 sentences. Those in power full into that category... it's not that they refuse to evolve... it's that their limited intelligence won't let them.
Intelligence is/has always been associated with money.. becuase only the wealthy could get an education... now everyone gets one standard.. but only the privileged get a real education. At least in the old style of thinking.... anyways. But now what is a real education? Fill your head full of their useless knowledge for a hell of alot of money to boot. But what happens when the need for real intelligence and not assumed information that "Those educated better then us before us said first." But everyday we are proving them wrong our theories are evolving... Look at Albert Einstein a very poor man... Poof puts all the boys to shame.. Suddenly he is accepted.. why? Ask the rich.... and in power.. But they could not figure out what he did? Perhaps becuase when your poor your forced to use your intelligence to survive regularly to problem solve plus the drive to be accepted by people and the shame of being poor. The poor are forced to work twice as hard just to make ends meet.
Rich people just have to decide who they are going to screw to day out of their cash, choose what credit card to use to day, or in Mr O'brians case what young girl they want, Or should I cheat on my wife with my secretary etc etc etc etc... Kinda hard to be a rocket scientist when your spending all your time worry about what people think of you. The more money you have the more problems you have but their not the kinda problems that use your problem solving skills in a good way. But sadly the same could be said about many poor people as well. Intelligence has to be earned. And for many they get piece of paper that they pay for that says they are intelligent but when push comes to shove it's evident.. that the piece paper may not be very accurate.
But evolution has a way of beating the odds... People like us are infused into the situation. our drive is not greed or power. It's knowledge and the betterment of mankind.... now when our knowledge pops threw and it's evident it was not threw their system, it would almost appear that n invisible barrier called politics is up there to stop people like me from getting in their and forcing the old broken down busted, corrupted, full of the elderly and their wanna-be/ power hungry pupils system.
It's just like high school. It's kind of amusing to watch. Now see, where does someone like me get intelligence you ask?? Well the books and stuff are great, and many people have contributed alot of hard work... but I think most of it was in vein. I grew up watching people, In group homes.. I got the unique experience of many homes and family dynamics... All all these people always had such great wisdom for me... To bad I used that great wisdom and got burned regularly. I learned that when it comes to learning about intelligence you can't learn it from others... you have to find it with in yourself. Why? Because as great as our books of knowledge are, their tainted threw the generations of opinions discriminations.. and not all the great minds have been allowed to contribute. So how can we possibly say we got it right? Is that not assuming? And when it comes down to the bottom line you can't be learning if you think you know everything... (Assuming)
Here I will go out on a limb... In reading about biology and stuff. I have come across things that make me think... I under stand about systems dynamics interpersonal relations ships... instincts etc etc... Because I will never be wealthy enough I will never be able to explorer a thought I had..
A singled celled Amoeba with no brain and no nervous system no eyes no ears no nose nothing... when watched under a microscope they will hide behind objects and ambush their prey they can avoid contact with things in their environment, yet have no nervous system? And we are comprised of so many of these things it's impossible to be accurate just how many? Yes, seems to me like science says we are not a complex system of these things, but our brain is who we are? So again I will talk about the fractal effect in nature and how it's dominate in everything. Including us our bodies organs. Nature the ecosystem all of that is a complex system of the fractal effect that is god's imprint.
But yes we assume that we understand what we are with out question and now seek to anwser the questions of the universe? How arrogant... and naive.
Just like I question the system that is life around me computer systems, and code systems, math systems, control logic and what not... I question my government.
But like any organism when you poke at it it will avoid you. Intelligence is a word created by the rich.... to make one better then another...
We are all equal. You just have to believe it and take it by the horns. No one is stupid. We act on instinct not intelligence... God's thumbprint will allow for nothing less. Evolution is now only possible threw us. So..... we are the only ones who can break the pattern.... just like all systems they will die if they do not produce a predecessor. To think we and this planet and the delicate balance that hangs here are any different... is not "inteligant"
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Post by bizzi on Mar 31, 2007 8:19:16 GMT -5
<----Takes off glasses and removes the pocket protector.....puts back on his hat and picks up his squeegie... and goes and sits in a corner and makes a video game....
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Post by bizzi on Mar 31, 2007 8:36:51 GMT -5
When I used to panhandle I used to ask "Spare some brains for the changless?."
You would be amazed how many "I don't have any" I got...
And people looked down on me... sad I used to look up to them. And to my horror I find these same people are pretending to be in control of this mammoth out of control boat?
Simply put... I would like to control my own future.. It is very evident to me.. that this system and everything about it needs to be upgraded... and things seriously need to be examined in our laws and social systems. I believe that upgrades and adding new dynamics and fresh blood and of all equality that allow for us to save money, help millions and build for a more financially secure country that can take care of it's own instead of "Everyman for himself" that is the thinking of the rich greedy and corrupt. Their are so many band aid solutions holding our system together it's busting at the seems. And people are getting hurt and screwed left right and center... The Government don't trust the people and the people don't trust our Government... not a very healthy environment to raise kids in. And is that not what these systems were created for? Or was it big business? And the rich? Read the history books.... the poor... built everything you see.... the rich profited from it.
So now those of us with intelligence now know we can not be like you. We have to evolve that is what the rich defined intelligence by? The ability to adopt and over come their surroundings?
I am sorry mother nature is intelligent... she is getting rid of us. Why we are the weakest link we could just not find our place in the environment. I feel sorry for the people who come after me.... And what fate and world they will have to face.. at the hands of those who assume they are in power... .... when in reality the only power they have is over the quality of life.
I see in 1000 years nothing has changed. You just more efficient at killing each other and your environment. I only wish I could believe the history books are accurate and not polluted with our own stupidity. And education is what again?
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Post by bizzi on Mar 31, 2007 8:44:24 GMT -5
All this war, fighting and negativity is gonna get you all killed. I twould be a shame if it all ended here with us... all those people who worked so hard to contribute and gave their lives to build the structures, monuments everything.. mother nature will kill in 20 seconds if she so feels inclined. All becuase the rich refuse to embrace change and hold onto the old values that have to be ditched if we are to be prosperous.. like the system so claims to want...
Now it's our own system and stupid ity that is holding us back and cuasing us such great suffering.
I maybe a pissed off blow heard most of the time but it's only becuase I am surrounded by dumb fucks and arrogant assholes. And I have to keep my intelligence to myself because some guy who was willing to up money to get a piece of paper that says he is better then me and can make choices that degrade my quality of life.
And these are the people I have to deal with if I want to contribute to humanity? I can only imagine how many other great people have thought and still think the same thing I do...
You people are driving us off a cliff... while telling us it's for our own good. And a spoon full of media makes the B.S go down.
That mind set has probably halted the things that they could have acomplished.... I guess thats why after as many years as I have I keep trying to pound the point home..... It needs to be about equality..... We are all in this together... What divides us will ultimately be our demise. And now the children are paying the price of our stupidity with their lives... And the power to be would step on me when I try to speak up about it? I wonder if this can be a two way street.
Because everything that has a begining has an end...
It's sad I am forced to use my smarts to fight fight a system that controls my life.. it just makes no sense...
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Post by Prepared not logged in on Mar 31, 2007 14:12:39 GMT -5
And people looked down on me... sad I used to look up to them. And to my horror I find these same people are pretending to be in control of this mammoth out of control boat? I've never been homeless and I have no idea what being homeless is like. I have loving parents that would never turn their backs on me. I will always have a place to go as long as I have family. For that, I am truly blessed. I realize however that there are others who do not have this same luxury. However, I did spend a rainy night on the streets a few years ago. I wanted to see what it was like to have nowhere to go and to see what it was like to be alone and unsheltered. I limited myself to five dollars for the entire night. Probably more than a lot of real homeless people have, but for me the limit was considerable. I was surprised by the experience. In the early morning hours, I was cold and wet. There was tingling in my fingers and I really just wanted to get anything that would warm me up. So I walked to a Tim Horton's shop and ordered a cup of coffee. I sat at a table and slowly sipped my coffee as I wanted to spend as much time in that coffee shop as i possibly could before being asked to leave. I was there for maybe an hour. I didn't get asked to leave however. Instead, a security guard who was doing patrols for Lyndon sat at my table and asked me if I was hungry. I said that I was fine and that I was not hungry. He then began a conversation with me and said that I reminded him of his own son. I don't know what he fully meant by that but I did give it some thought when I left the coffee shop and rested on a street bench. Was his son a runaway? Did his son have special needs that he felt he needed to cater to? Did he feel that he had failed as a father and was somehow seeking to make amends by helping others? I don't know. In the end, I just decided that he was a good samaritin who was willing to give of himself to help those in need. I had a job to go to the next day and by the time the Sun had begun to come up, I really needed to use the washroom. My first stop was a little ransack of a variety store. I walked in and asked if I could use their washroom. I was refused and told that the washroom was for employees only. My next stop was a restauarnt a couple of doors down. I walked in and had a seat. When the waitress approached, I asked how much a cup of coffee cost. When she told me, I ordered a cup of coffee and asked if I could use the washroom. While she was getting my coffee, I went to use the washroom. I sat in the restaurant and sipped my cup of coffee for about twenty minutes. I was wet and freezing. I was shivering from the cold night that i had spent on the streets and I suppose it must have been obvious to the waitress that I was a homeless person or someone down on my luck. When I attempted to pay for the cup of coffee, she refused to accept my money. This was the second act of generosity that I had experienced that night and my faith in the people of this city was stronger than ever. When I left the coffee shop I walked to work. When I arrived at the guard shack to the refinery where I was working as a janitor, I sat for a few hours and talked to the guard while the numbness in my limbs slowly drifted away. It was a miserable night all in all, but one that I look back upon with fond memories. I don't know that I would do it again however, and I really don't feel that I walked away with any real sense of how it must be to be homeless. I did gain a couple of things from the experience though. I learned that there are good people in the world, and that the good people are the majority. I also gained a new appreciation for the struggles of life and the resilience of the human spirit in the face of adversity. So? What's the point? There isn't one. I shouldn't even really tell this story... But what the hell, nothing lost.
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Post by MConn on Mar 31, 2007 15:42:15 GMT -5
I remember being forced out of my home but because of the good friends and parents I got through it. On one occasion a friend let me stay at his home in the basement until I could put enough together to get my own apartment which I did and I got my own one bedroom apartment I moved in and found out that I did not have a coffee maker then I looked around and realized that I did not even have a coffee cup to make a coffee. but with help from everyone I got things together in a short time then I went to court and won custody of the children which I was surprised the one bedroom was not big enough. So I worked thing out with Diane that the children would stay with her while I worked and get a bigger place but her new boy friend and her were not getting along and she ended up living with me in the one bedroom apartment with the children what a tight squeeze but with friends help we got into a 3 bedroom in a short notice she realized what a mistake she made when she moved out on me to live with this guy and we lost everything going though the court system but we came back though hard work and working with the family counseling center.
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Post by MConn on Mar 31, 2007 16:18:34 GMT -5
I forgot to mention why I was forced out of my home was when I came home from work I found a note that Diane left me and I her lawyer was our landlord I found myself on the street with nothing I had a little bit of money I got myself a room at the Y and stayed there until a friend took me home to stay with them until I could get things together. I seen a lot of homeless and I learned how hard it was for them soup kitchen's the works and I found a lot of caring people that I did not realized that where out there
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Post by Biz not signed in on Apr 1, 2007 7:44:28 GMT -5
I did gain a couple of things from the experience though. I learned that there are good people in the world, and that the good people are the majority. I also gained a new appreciation for the struggles of life and the resilience of the human spirit in the face of adversity.
Ummm the majority?
Okay I will give my thoughts on that. You had a lucky night my friend... Don't let a few good people make you think the people are good...lol..
95% of the world are bad people... 5 % are good people... now..
I know that might seem off but.. think about 5 % of the worlds population is still a hell of alot of people... but.....
5% is the reason the world is in the shape it's in.....
just like it's about 5% of us who care about these kids and this mess the other 95% voted the pedophile mayor into is position... and is now declaring war on the homeless calling people fake homeless people etc.. etc... I have the video clip of his stupidity I will post soon enough...
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Post by Biz on Apr 1, 2007 7:47:10 GMT -5
I think it's safe to say that a nice chunk of Ottawa's share of that 5% come to post in these forums... I think we got rid of most the other 95% that were insulting us.
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Post by Biz on Apr 1, 2007 8:13:44 GMT -5
---I remember being forced out of my home but because of the good friends and parents I got through it.--- When your in care you not allowed to make those kinds of friendships. You don't get to know anyone long enough. By the time they hit the streets they are alone and have been alone the majority of their time in care. If I would have had one friend I could have asked for help I might not have had to live on the streets... it's funny. I have friends now.. but I choose outside. Well as long as i am on probation I will be homeless ... I will not have an address they can come bust into again... On probation if I had an address I would be forced to give it to them.... So When my probation is done I might choose to try to be "normal" See I am homeless by choice... Their is nothing more dangerous then a pissed off hacker with nothing to lose, that wants revenge for being forced to live like an animal. So When I speak about my time on the streets and how it forced my mind and body to become as tough as nails... And it forced out my intelligence..don't feel pitty for me... Have pity for them...
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Post by Prepared not logged in on Apr 1, 2007 11:41:59 GMT -5
I think it's safe to say that a nice chunk of Ottawa's share of that 5% come to post in these forums... I think we got rid of most the other 95% that were insulting us. "First they laugh at you, then they ignore you, then they fight you, then you win."-- Mohatma Ghandi Only in my case, it's more like this. First they laugh at you, then they rob you, then they ignore you, then they fight you, then you win and become extremely wealthy.
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Post by Poverty Sucks on Apr 3, 2007 7:20:05 GMT -5
I had a school chum of my childs come over to play, during the course of his visit the child informed me we are poor. He told me I have a nice apt but I'm still poor. I don't have a car like his parents, I don't go to Europe like his parents and I'm a very nice person even though I'm poor. This child has learned this from someone because most kids under 10 do not speak this way. I've also not been called poor so many times in 2 hours. The real funny thing thing. I pay market rent his parents live in subsidized housing.
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Post by td on Apr 3, 2007 10:48:05 GMT -5
well in my opinion, this child is subject to adults,parents, that have selve esteem issues and lke many others will try to make others look less( ^) than themselves,so they will feel better about themselves, kind of like school yard bullies but, but with a diferent method used! this child could be getting brainwashed into a certain frame of mind that could lead to many barriers in their life!the avenues that they(barriers) could take are astronomical!
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