Post by funnel on Jul 22, 2007 15:44:58 GMT -5
Thank you GSW.
GSW
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:24 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Bob wrote:
It's not anger you see in my words. I have no ill will towards you at all. I am just stating facts.
un-fortunately their is no nice way to say it.
Could it be "we" on this site who have lost children or are in the family court with the protential of losing children or know someone who has lost children would like to see "change."
Could it be "we" on this site see the "facts" of the family court as this: When a family or parent(s) enter that domain the one and only solution is to make the children crown wards and that makes no common sense.
Could it be "we" on this site have been and are still being "terrorized" and we are "angry" and "upset" with the current family court system realizing at the same time some SW are on our side but they are like us in that the judges and some SW's are "tunnel visioned with power."
Could it be "we" on this site realize that the judges and SW's think alike in that they have witnessed too much "real" abuse and consider everyone who appears before the family court must be guilty in some sense so to error on the side of caution is better than helping the family because the current system has no time or money to help a family in need.
Anytime a government turns over "extraordinary powers" to the private sector more than likely those "extraordinary powers" will be abused by individuals who like to see fellow citizens suffer pain.
I suppose the simple question is this: How do the minority get the majority to see it their way?
First step is to get the people who have the "extraordinary powers" on their side because they are on the front lines, as you say.
Something like "war" the front line soldiers report to the Generals what is going on up front because you never see a General with a gun in hand firing away at the enemy on the front lines. The Generals are 50 miles or more away in a safe place surrounded by guards. Now if you have a subborn General what have you got a nightmare with power who is going to continue to do their way which more than likely allows more front line soldiers to die.
Only after a few 1000 soldiers die does the "High Almighty" fire the General and replaces the position with another who hopefully goes down another path.
Could it be, this is what is and has been happening in the child protection system, we the "majority general peoples" have not seen the mistakes made.
Common sense is not that common in the current system, "AGREED" by me.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:33 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
GSW wrote:
Only after a few 1000 soldiers die does the "High Almighty" fire the General and replaces the position with another who hopefully goes down another path.
Well then I think the generals need to be fired now.
Bizzi did some scary math for me the other day....
52 states. 10 provinces and 3 territories all have foster care.
Lets just say this year's death toll for Ontario's C.A.S is 83. or at least what we have been able to find out on our own.
So we will use 83 as an average per state, province and territories
52X83=4316
10X83=830
3X83=249
4316+830+249=5395
5395 kids have been sent to their deaths this year and that is just providing that it's all 83 kids per area. And remember the year is not done...
So lets recap. in the last 5 years 26975 have been sent to their deaths...
26975
maybe if people would not mistaken children for solders or toaster oven's or objects to be stolen and sold off like cattle.. and the ones rejected turfed out onto the streets..
Maybe we could get a new number like 26974. I mean... isn't helping one child worth it?
No cause who would the police bust? Who would family court lawyers, judges, Social workers, specialists. Dr's what ever you name it...
They would all would lose a good chunk of their income.
Guess who it's up to to get it fixed?
The higer ups. Who control the generals.
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Bob...
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:36 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Arn't the doctors, politicians, social workers judges lawyer the higher ups?
And the directors are the "generals"
26975
I mean they all have to know the numbers...
5 years they have sent...
26975
Think about that.
Foster care needs to be placed in the hands of the public right now.. out in the open before another 26975 are sent to their deaths...
remember that 26975 is just a figure based on C.A.S's average. It's probablt much worse since everything is in secrecy.
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Bob
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
People should be puking with disgust when they see that number.
The government doesn't even bat an eyelash.
You let these same people control how your country is run? And you wonder why everything is in the sad state it's in.
Bunch of Sickos.
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Bob
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:44 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
You do not work with compromise with or try to negotiate with people who have that mnay child deaths under their belts while they hide this insanity from the public pretending liek they are heroes. It's complete madness.
I would be ashamed to even tell people I was a social worker or a lawyer....
I guess that is why they all stay in their own clicks...
Man my dyslexia sucks. I like this spell check.
Bizzi showed me for firefox. it just rocks....
GSW
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:24 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Bob wrote:
It's not anger you see in my words. I have no ill will towards you at all. I am just stating facts.
un-fortunately their is no nice way to say it.
Could it be "we" on this site who have lost children or are in the family court with the protential of losing children or know someone who has lost children would like to see "change."
Could it be "we" on this site see the "facts" of the family court as this: When a family or parent(s) enter that domain the one and only solution is to make the children crown wards and that makes no common sense.
Could it be "we" on this site have been and are still being "terrorized" and we are "angry" and "upset" with the current family court system realizing at the same time some SW are on our side but they are like us in that the judges and some SW's are "tunnel visioned with power."
Could it be "we" on this site realize that the judges and SW's think alike in that they have witnessed too much "real" abuse and consider everyone who appears before the family court must be guilty in some sense so to error on the side of caution is better than helping the family because the current system has no time or money to help a family in need.
Anytime a government turns over "extraordinary powers" to the private sector more than likely those "extraordinary powers" will be abused by individuals who like to see fellow citizens suffer pain.
I suppose the simple question is this: How do the minority get the majority to see it their way?
First step is to get the people who have the "extraordinary powers" on their side because they are on the front lines, as you say.
Something like "war" the front line soldiers report to the Generals what is going on up front because you never see a General with a gun in hand firing away at the enemy on the front lines. The Generals are 50 miles or more away in a safe place surrounded by guards. Now if you have a subborn General what have you got a nightmare with power who is going to continue to do their way which more than likely allows more front line soldiers to die.
Only after a few 1000 soldiers die does the "High Almighty" fire the General and replaces the position with another who hopefully goes down another path.
Could it be, this is what is and has been happening in the child protection system, we the "majority general peoples" have not seen the mistakes made.
Common sense is not that common in the current system, "AGREED" by me.
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Guest
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:33 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
GSW wrote:
Only after a few 1000 soldiers die does the "High Almighty" fire the General and replaces the position with another who hopefully goes down another path.
Well then I think the generals need to be fired now.
Bizzi did some scary math for me the other day....
52 states. 10 provinces and 3 territories all have foster care.
Lets just say this year's death toll for Ontario's C.A.S is 83. or at least what we have been able to find out on our own.
So we will use 83 as an average per state, province and territories
52X83=4316
10X83=830
3X83=249
4316+830+249=5395
5395 kids have been sent to their deaths this year and that is just providing that it's all 83 kids per area. And remember the year is not done...
So lets recap. in the last 5 years 26975 have been sent to their deaths...
26975
maybe if people would not mistaken children for solders or toaster oven's or objects to be stolen and sold off like cattle.. and the ones rejected turfed out onto the streets..
Maybe we could get a new number like 26974. I mean... isn't helping one child worth it?
No cause who would the police bust? Who would family court lawyers, judges, Social workers, specialists. Dr's what ever you name it...
They would all would lose a good chunk of their income.
Guess who it's up to to get it fixed?
The higer ups. Who control the generals.
Back to top
Bob...
Guest
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:36 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Arn't the doctors, politicians, social workers judges lawyer the higher ups?
And the directors are the "generals"
26975
I mean they all have to know the numbers...
5 years they have sent...
26975
Think about that.
Foster care needs to be placed in the hands of the public right now.. out in the open before another 26975 are sent to their deaths...
remember that 26975 is just a figure based on C.A.S's average. It's probablt much worse since everything is in secrecy.
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Bob
Guest
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
People should be puking with disgust when they see that number.
The government doesn't even bat an eyelash.
You let these same people control how your country is run? And you wonder why everything is in the sad state it's in.
Bunch of Sickos.
Arrow Idea
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Bob
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:44 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
You do not work with compromise with or try to negotiate with people who have that mnay child deaths under their belts while they hide this insanity from the public pretending liek they are heroes. It's complete madness.
I would be ashamed to even tell people I was a social worker or a lawyer....
I guess that is why they all stay in their own clicks...
Man my dyslexia sucks. I like this spell check.
Bizzi showed me for firefox. it just rocks....