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Post by Dean Robinson on Sept 20, 2006 10:50:50 GMT -5
If you would like to Comment on this poll or even give use your opinion as to why you vote for some one please do..Again I'm reminding you there is to be no bashing everyone has there own opinions and that is to be respected. Mature debating is acceptableDean Robinson www.sarniassmokinggun.com
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Post by GOJOE on Oct 3, 2006 9:33:09 GMT -5
Joe Murray
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Post by Carlos Murray on Oct 17, 2006 20:24:08 GMT -5
Hey Dean! You told me before that you were endorsing my Candidacy for Mayor. I notice that I only have one vote in you pole in this string. (Which is the one that I put there.) Does this mean that you are no longer endorsing me?
(No hard feelings. There is no reason for them.)
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Post by Dean Robinson on Oct 18, 2006 9:31:14 GMT -5
good morning Carlos I'm leaving the voting to the people visiting the board, i have not even put a vote for myself.
but while we are here can you tell us about the mayoral meeting at the Guildwood Inn. I read the paper but I'm not really big on believing them. lol
Carlos, I have a question for you from a Guest. If you are elected, would you approve the the Port Sarina Project. please explain your reason?
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Post by Carlos Murray on Oct 19, 2006 15:06:20 GMT -5
Right on Dean! That's kewl. As you know quite well, I'm not the type of person that will try to get pushy with anyone in order to get their support. In fact if I did, it would go against my own basic platform that I want to get the public involved in the process, and not trying to influence their decision. My own opinions would not, (and should not) take any more precedence than anyone else's.
I have seen a couple of times that you have made implications that you were behind me by way of endorsement. (On my own message board, as well as some other places.)
We even had a plan to do some kind of "Call-in" thing "LIVE" by way of Internet Radio on your own "SmokingGun" site. But we never did get that to happen. We still have time! The biggest problem at this point is making people aware of it, and getting them to listen and get involved.
{Don't expect to get any help promoting such a thing from the other media sources other than paying to advertise it "out of pocket"? The Internet is their opponent. They want people relying on them for information.} -----
I can easily accept that you have not made a choice on your own message board. Have you made a choice over on Michele Dionne's "SarniaRocks" site? I notice that there has been 1 person other than myself that has clicked on my name over there. But by the posts on that string (Over there --->) I am under the opinion that it was a girl that has called herself "LilRedDevil" on my own board. (?) -----
One thing I don't like about the polls that can be created on these "FREE" message boards from Proboards.com is that you can only choose to cast a vote for 1 person. (Or whatever issue is being discussed?)
Regarding polling who people want to choose for Councilors? It would be nice to be able to create the poll allowing people to choose as many as 4. Just like on the ballots that people will see on Nov. 13th.
It would also be nice to be able to go back and change your choice if another Candidate has caused you to change your mind. I know that you are a lot more "Computer savvy" than I am. If you figure out a way to do that, please let me know how to do it.
I haven't created any polls at all on my own board yet. So if you (or anyone else) has any ideas for polls that can be created, please bring them up in my "Suggestions" section. And I will gladly do so.
I did have the option open for members on my board to create polls. But that one person that I became forced to ban created one that I thought of as completely ridiculous. And the choices they made available were even more ridiculous than the question posed.
I don't recall exactly what the question was that was posed? It had something to do with some kind of "Credit Union". It was something that I had never heard of? I did a bunch of searches to try to see what it was. And I came up with absolutely nothing!?!?!?!
The creator of the poll also came up with about a dozen possible choices to pick from that were all negative, and also completely ridiculous. I seem to recall that one of the choices was something like, "These people should all be sentenced to 'Death by Lethal Injection?'" (Or something like that.)
The fact is that people don't realize just how serious I am about running for Mayor. And the local media has spent the last 4 Elections, (12 years) trying to portray my Candidacy as completely ridiculous.
My intention in creating my site and message board is to get people to know just how serious I actually am. That person's actions forced me to completely ban him. (You know who I'm talking about!!!) -----
I am actually starting to question just how helpful these message boards are going to be at getting my message across? I have handed out a couple of hundred cards with my website addy on them. And people keep promising me that they will be right on getting involved in the discussions there. But, for the most part, I have seen nothing.
One guy in particular joined as a member several months ago, (and I run into him a couple of times a week) but he hasn't made a single post yet. He keeps saying that he simply can't think of anything to say. Which I guess is acceptable.
Even when I do get elected, I imagine that some people will register and never get involved with the discussion boards. That's fine. I have no desire to force anyone into anything! -----
WOW! This post is getting long! I think I had better break it up into topics?
I'll be back shortly! DG
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Post by Carlos Murray on Oct 19, 2006 16:40:29 GMT -5
As I was saying, "I am beginning to doubt how useful these message boards will be at getting my message across." But it is still a good place to start. At least we are getting a few people to carry on discussions. I am frankly finding Michele Dionne's "SarniaRocks" board as somewhat detrimental because she allows people to post completely anonymously. I find that people are far less "BRAVE" about what they post if they are forced to "JOIN" before they can post. I have been involved in several different message boards in the 10 years I have been using the Internet. And other than Michele's site, I can't think of a single one that doesn't require people to join before they can post. This kind of thing has actually become a problem with Boards that cater to younger users. The term "INTERNET BULLYING" has come up recently. It is usually referring to younger people carrying on discussions. The fact is that I have seen this kind of thing happen all to often on Boards that are supposedly being used by people that would be thought of as "ADULTS". But I mice elf think that many of them (INTENTIONALLY) use these Boards to be able to act like Children without having to disclose their identity. (As any of us know. Adults don't tend to be able to get very far when they resort to Bullying to get by.) ----- "Carlos, I have a question for you from a Guest. If you are elected, would you approve the the Port Sarina Project. please explain your reason?"The "Port Sarnia Project"! I will admittedly say that I don't know a whole lot about the particulars of what my supposedly esteemed opponent with the same last name as me has proposed with his "Port Sarnia" idea. But I can give my impressions on what I have grasped so far. Joe Murray has brought up this idea quite a few times. And he has admitted that he has personal financial interest in the project. Meaning to say that he is planning on investing in the project with his own money. And thereby he stands to gain financially if the project ever goes through. (The term "CONFLICT OF INTEREST" comes to mind?) He has tried a few times to get this thing started. And (to the best of my knowledge) it has always been him bringing the proposal up. The proposal has been voted down a few times, and he keeps trying to push it through. IMHO, if this thing ever does happen, it will have appeal for about 2 months. (3 months at the best) After that virtually no-one will want to even look at it. In the long run! I see it as something that will wind up costing the community much more than it will ever bring in as revenue. I see a situation where if Joe Murray gets elected, he will push for this (IMHO) ridiculous matter to be created. And I would not be surprised at all if he is pushing for Councilors to be elected that have already promised him that they will vote in support of his "Port Sarnia" idea. My personal opinion of the idea is that it will be a financial disaster!!!!! But he won't care! He will have already made his profit from it. ----- At the Rotary Club meeting on Monday he said that he doesn't plan on spending a lot of time at City Hall taking care of the little details that face the city. He said that he intends on spending his time entertaining CEOs by taking them out Drinking, Fishing and Golfing? ? As far as I'm concerned! If he wants to take people out Drinking, Fishing and Golfing. He should just go and do it on his own time and money. Don't expect the City to pick up the Tab so he can get drunk and perfect his Golf Swing! ----- That's just my own opinion? I could be right or wrong, I guess only time will tell? ----- Peace! DGP.S. - Hey man! I personally don't think I have broken any of the rules that you have made for this board. I have just provided my opinion from the information I have at hand. Neither you or I can expect everyone to avoid saying what they think. IMHO the opinion I just expressed is justified by what has been made known publicly. (Just read the article from Tuesday's Sarnia Observer?)
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Post by Carlos Murray on Oct 19, 2006 16:45:04 GMT -5
"but while we are here can you tell us about the mayoral meeting at the Guildwood Inn. I read the paper but I'm not really big on believing them. lol"
Hey Dean! I gotta go out shortly. I'll get back to this. I think you (and everyone else) will find it interesting!!! -----
I also saw a story about your radio debate. I have a couple of comments to make on that.
Gotta go! DG
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Post by Dean Robinson on Oct 21, 2006 13:11:44 GMT -5
Hey Carlos Well I'm to the point now that I would Vote for you or Dick Carpani You Two Are the only ones in the Mayoral race that are showing any Class. not that I'm saying Joe is doing anything wrong but he is caught in the Bradley VS J. Murray Fight.
the Observer Is Most defiantly against you. or that Cathy Dobson is a complete idiot and can understand a word that your saying. I read the letters to the editor, and its my opinion that they enjoy bashing the candidates'
who ever is voted in must work with Bradly to make the transition smooth. this is the point I think your trying to get across.
Also Carlos I wouldn't worry about the Sarnia Rocks board I read it daily and am ashamed of the people there. win or lose Carlos you have brought many eye opening Ideas to the table and you should pat yourself on the back for that.
As for Myself I don't think i have a shot in h e l l at winning a seat but win or lose this city is going to have to deal with me for the next 4 years cause I will attend every meeting and make sure my voice is heard and carries on to the people . 4 years is a long time to start a new race for the mayors seat and I'm a master at the marketing game so unless its you Or Carpani the race for the 2011 election will start early.
in My opinion I'm also ready to vote for John Volmer too, sorry if I spelled the name wrong. John stood up to Bradley. Bradley talks about respect maybe he should give his head a shake and think about what respect is. watching his campaign he has show en what type of person he is. and I did'nt see one bit of respect from him. respect is earned and he has yet to earn it in my eyes.
oh ya I forgot, one of the editors said that he never votes for people that think the city should be run as a business. WTF is he thinking we are a friggin cooperation. so do I think the Observer blows friggin right I do.
I guess I broke my own rule about bashing lol so go crazy people bash away.
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Post by Carlos Murray on Oct 21, 2006 22:08:49 GMT -5
Right on Dean. I wouldn't exactly call that bashing. At least not very deeply. I think you could have pretty much said the same thing without coming close to crossing your own rules by posting something along the lines of "The Sarnia Observer seems to be seriously lacking in 'JOURNALISTIC INTEGRITY'" (Do you think something like that would have seemed more suitable?)
I truly hope that you (et al) will be at the All Candidates Meeting at City Hall on Monday night. I am planning on dropping what I hope turns out to be a "MAJOR BOMB" in my opening statement.
I am also hoping to have some people to ask me a couple of things during the segment where they allow the public to pose questions. They're things that I really want a chance to comment on, but there won't be time to include them in my Opening or Closing statements.
I have seen a lot of people in the past ask Mike Bradley questions that they hope will trick him into slipping up. But all that really does is gives him more opportunity to speak. And he is very good at wiggling around any subject and come out smelling like roses. In my own case, it would be better to have people ask me the questions. Then I get a chance to reply first. And (if they will be allowing it?) the others will get to add in their own opinions.
(Sometimes they only allow the Candidate that was asked the question to respond. I don't think that is fair. But sometimes that is what they do. It kinda SUX!) ---
Re: The SarniaRocks Board.
I don't really concern myself all that much with what goes on over there. Michele does have a couple of hundred registered members. But I don't think many of them read her board on all that regular of a basis.
Between that and the fact that she allows people to post anonymously, (which I think bothers a lot of people!) I don't think people take what is there very seriously either. ---
Like I said before, I'll get back and say more on the other stuff later.
Peace! DG
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Post by Leisha1 on Oct 23, 2006 11:50:36 GMT -5
???People call for change, what did change do for us when we voted in a Provincial NDP gouverment? We wanted change so we then voted Conservative, did we get the changes we really wanted? Again change with the Liberals and what did we get, empty promises.
We don't need change we need to carry on and support the person who has demonstrated his support of Sarnia.
Was it Mike Bradley's fault that we gave him these provincial gouverments who made all kinds of problems and diverted costs to our cities?
Lets not again get changes we don't want.
Support Mike!
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Post by Dean Robinson on Oct 23, 2006 22:01:44 GMT -5
Ive been to most of tyhe mayor meet and greets and im still undesided.
In Mikes defence he has put Sarnia's Name out there but the little digs he throws at different concill members lacks class.
joe is about bringing new Ideas to the table some good some not so good.
Dick is very mild mannered a good people person but does he have the mindset to stand up to concill.
Carlos has some very interesting ideas but has a hard time pesenting them to the public.
So Im totaly lost as to the direction ill go in that race ..
tell me what you think
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Post by Carlos Murray on Oct 24, 2006 2:24:45 GMT -5
Hey! So sorry Dean. There was something that happened last night that I didn't expect.
During the opening statements, there has usually been a warning bell to tell the candidate that there was 30 seconds left to speak. I wasn't quite finished what I was saying when the first bell rang. But I thought it meant that I had 30 seconds to finish. Then about 10 seconds later the bell began ringing telling me to "SHUT THE F#@# UP!"
From my personal experience I thought this was wrong. I should have been told that the sound of a bell meant that I could finish my sentence and no more. (But that was not the case!)
IMHO I was dropping a BOMB, and it was about to explode. They (TPTB) made sure to stop me before I could finish what I was saying.
But in the long run I think I did get my point across. Joe Murray committed perjury to get his name on the ballot. (IMHO) he belongs in a jail cell! Not on the ballot.
I'll say more later. I'm very tired.
Talk to ya later, DG
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Post by leisha1 on Oct 25, 2006 11:35:45 GMT -5
I likes Carlos better than Joe in the debates as Carlos ideas are better. Where was Joe coming from wanting to bring in clothing and shoe factories? Carlos hit the nail on the head with Solar panel and high tech stuff. Lambton College prepares our youngsters for higher paying tech jobs not sewing!
Joe still on the bandwagon for Port Sarnia and it is getting bigger! Joe's supporters wrote questions in to make Joe look good and give him the opportunity to get more time in to promote Port Sarnia.
I gues the financil backing for Port Sarnia is helping him out with lawn signs!
In 1991 there were no jobs here, Lambton Mall was loosing stores, things looked bleak with the NDP in charge.
Bradley did a great job to keep us in the game with the Conservative downloading. Our city looks better now than it did when he took over!
Joe and his jobs issue, other than Dow pulling out due to the strikes in the 1980's, far from city controlable, there have been over 4000 jobs created locally since 1990. Does Joe think we are all stupid and don't understand. His grandstanding is repulsive! He should get his facts straight not distort them.
Joe says by 2040 we should have 40,000 new people to stay up with expanding centers, he says we can only expect 4000 with the rate we are doing. He says we need more tax base. Won't the city need to service a 50% increase in population? where will that money come from.
Mike talked about big expansions in the Chemical Valley, with Lambton college technical training, current Labour relatons and the Industrial Safety training school we have all the tools needed locally to handle new plants and expansions. Joes Fishing expiditions to these CEO's won't help!
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Post by Dean Robinson on Oct 26, 2006 10:09:10 GMT -5
Bradley has certainly showed passion and his love for our city. he over the years has manage to do what a mayor should do and that is promote the many qualitys. I would vote for him if he would move ahead of the in house sqaubles.
hmm I think we have enough low paying jobs tech is the way of the future. we have some well trained students here Joe working at the college should have been the first to promote this.
I still have a little feelings For Dick Carpani man this guy is a nice person
and Carlos his Ideas are always good people need to look at what hes saying. the down town core would benifit from one way streets it would increase the flow of trafic on on both Christina and front , by the way front is lookin pretty good
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Post by leisha1 on Oct 26, 2006 14:12:00 GMT -5
I thought Carlos was supposed to be the comic relief, now I see it is Joe and his cronies. It seems they threw AMG against Mike and lst, pior to that it was Tery Burrel, Joe now, Hopefully Vollmar won't make it to Council this time or he will be next. Hopefully 3 Strikes and this bunch will be OUT! Joe wants a Trolly for his Port Sania, I guess trolly drivers make big bucks, as do Clothing and Shoe factory workers, When Carlos proposed High tech Jobs Joe mentioned these and complained that since Dow left with 3800 jobs the 4000 replacement jobs were poor paying. At least they are jobs! And UBE pays good. Hopefully the Observer will print my comments on the Chanber meeting. Best regards. PS. I like your view on Lawn Chemicals and Plastic recyling. PS. Boushy says he has no issue working with Bradley and Bradley knows he is not the boss of the city employees where it seems Joe thinks he will be if elected Mayor. I work for a major Corp. We tried empowering employees 20 years ago and it was proved to not work. Joe who is 20 years behind time with his proposals wants to do this with the city employees. Poor Joe!
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