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Post by Dean Robinson on Sept 22, 2006 15:33:36 GMT -5
I received this Email today and I think we need to talk about it.
Hi what are You going to do about Marcote topping off the garbage trucks, with material the is not to be picked up? There is no garbage policing at present. the Guy manages from his office, Refrigerators that at not tagged and toilets are presently being picked up and the City is paying for it in added weight, Thanks C.K
Hi C.K
I totally agree this should not be a city cost but a personal one, The city pays Bylaw officers good money. I would suggest this should be fairly easy to control.
in any form of Management you need to put policy's in place but you cant just expect them to be followed you have to have your Bylaw officers doing their jobs and making sure that things are tagged.
I think a letter to to Marcote or a personal visit will stop this.
What concerns me more is what this is doing to our environment this will be a real burden on our children and grand children to come.
Please let me hear some comments on what you as the tax payers think we should do about this.
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Post by leisha1 on Oct 23, 2006 12:04:22 GMT -5
I will support those who support a control on pesticide use and who support more recycled plastic types being picked up.
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Post by Dean Robinson on Oct 23, 2006 21:48:29 GMT -5
wow did you see the present council avoid that one.
in the last few week there as been a ton of reports that have come out on the connections between pesticides and breast cancer. so I'm totally in favor of putting controls on them. 1 in 9 women in Sarnia are devastated with breast cancer this has to be lowered.
I have two children one that lives here and a son in London I think we should be doing as much as we can now to protect them in there future and recycling is one way to ensure my grandchildren don't have to live with the garbage that our generation is destroying our land with.
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Post by ryyback on Oct 29, 2006 5:47:40 GMT -5
The garbage issue in Sarnia is a Joke Dean. First, there is no 'policing' for what is picked up usually, as frank Valle( the biggest idiot I have ever met by the way) sits in his office and pretends to know what is going on. I know how the system works and I know all about Frankie Valle, so I know what I am talking about. Second--Marcotte gets paid by the ton--so a 'talking to' is not going to work really. Charlie(owner of Marcotte will just laugh it off as soon as you leave his office). Money talks! So the more the boys at Marcotte pick up--the more they make and the more the City loses out on more money. Third--Why are we not 'recycling' fridges and stoves, etc anymore?? That adds up to more going to the dump and more weight and money out the window? Forth--What about apt owners? People that live in apts put cardboard, plastics,etc in their garbage bins and nothing gets done about that either. If the home owners of Sarnia have to recycle, why don't apt. dwellers??? Like I said, I am an expert in this field, and know what I am talking about, while morons at City Hall pretend to know what is going on, and tell you what you want to hear.
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Post by Dean Robinson on Oct 29, 2006 10:04:42 GMT -5
Welcome to the board Ryyback very good points indeed its my understanding that the City pays by the pound. I believe that we are being screwed I have watched the Garbage engineers take washing machines and other big items.
and our recycling program is joke one week it was glass and cans the next was plastic and paper. if i was to put out paper and can they would not pick it up. but then they change it up again now its every two weeks and the take it all. again the management of this company would have thinking its time to rethink their contract.
in China they recycle everything. heres an idea for job creation lets as a city own and operated or own recycling plant .
money is being wasted but you hear every day from the incumbents we have save the city millions and brought our debt down .. the problem is they are cutting services to do this instead of properly managing the money.
a city owned recycling plant would give jobs and bring money to the pay down the debt
Thanks again ryyback please keep posting the more we talk the more that will be heard
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Post by fumanshu on Oct 29, 2006 17:49:50 GMT -5
If garbage collection is billed by weight, there's not a lot the city can do to control the types of garbage that the waste collection company picks up. If it's profitable for the waste collection company to pick up items they're not supposed to, they're going to continue to pick up those items.
What options does the city have?
They could hire people to follow garbage trucks around and enforce the by-laws, but that would be more expensive than allowing the garbage trucks to violate the by-laws.
They could ask the public to report incidents where the garbage trucks are picking up material that they're not supposed to. But this would really be a bad idea. I don't think that people really want a city where everybody is watching and reporting on each other. Besides, most people have better things to do than preoccupy themselves with what types of garbage can and cannot be picked up by the trash collectors.
There's not a lot that can be done to address this situation. There are probably really only two viable solutions:
1) Move away from a system where trash collection is billed by weight. Negotiating a fixed rate for trash collection would force waste companies to be extra vigilant in what they can and cannot pick up.
2) Levy fines against people that place uncollectable garbage at the curb. You could, for example, levy $200 fines against those who place an untagged refrigerator at the curb. This would ultimately lead to people giving more consideration to what they place at the curb for trash collection.
For the latter scheme to work, you actually have to issue the fines. People tend to ignore repeated warnings.
Other than that, the city's hands are pretty much tied on the garbage issue.
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Post by Carlos Murray on Oct 29, 2006 22:12:49 GMT -5
WOW! How did I miss this string? There is an older string on the same issue over on my own message board (As well as several other topics!) at sarnians.proboards60.comI hope you don't mind Dean. But we are all in this for the people. My own (Personally Built) Campaign Site is at www.geocities.com/sarnians For those who want to take a look? ------ (The site is ever changing when I find the time to do so.) ;D Peace! DG
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Post by fumanshu on Oct 29, 2006 22:56:33 GMT -5
WOW! How did I miss this string? There is an older string on the same issue over on my own message board (As well as several other topics!) at sarnians.proboards60.comI hope you don't mind Dean. But we are all in this for the people. My own (Personally Built) Campaign Site is at www.geocities.com/sarnians For those who want to take a look? ------ (The site is ever changing when I find the time to do so.) ;D Peace! DGThis is just an idea. It is not a suggestion, an order, or a demand. Just an idea. Since you appear to post more over here than you do at your own site, Carlos, have you ever considered joining forces with Dean? Have you considered closing your forum and combining your message with Dean's for these last two weeks of the campaign? It might be a good idea if subforums were created for both Carlos and Dean where specific questions and discussions about each candidates respective campaign could be discussed, and the common areas shared among each candidate. I don't know how Dean would feel about this? Dean?
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Post by Dean Robinson on Oct 30, 2006 2:24:21 GMT -5
I have sent emails to evert candidate on the ticket atleast everyone that has an email lol.
the reason I did open this board is so the community could ask all the candidates questions. but as I stated in another forum the incumbants are are devided in to two groups. the Mike Bradley camp and then the J.Murry Camp,
the paper and the special intrest groups dont seem to care about any of the new people running.
but everyone is welcome to post here, as long as there is no name calling
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Post by ryyback on Oct 30, 2006 4:29:07 GMT -5
In response to some of this about garbage. 1--you won't win in the garbage fight. Everyone wants their garbage picked up, so they will NOT call in to 'tattle' on the Marcotte boys. Marcotte is in it for profit, no doubt, so of coarse they will pick up whatever is there, and not just the 4 bag limit. The biggest problem with the garbage situation is that we don't 'recycle' big ticket items anymore like fridges and washers. Also the people in the apts can put whatever they want in their garbage bins, as the 'morons' at city hall don't really care---I work for a company that knows this problem first hand, so I know all about the 'politics' involved. They do the BIG TALK--but it stops there, unless it is convinite for them to say something. And seeing as we are now what $100,000 in the red for garbage so far, I think something needs to be done! And as far as the recycling program goes, has anyone watched these guys from LONDON work? All your stuff goes in one 'shutte', NO SORTING involved. They drive like madmen, and our out of their trucks before the truck even stops. And lastly, lets point out that our recycling goes to LONDON ONT, by way of the highway. And our garbage for now goes to PETROLIA, by way of the highway--get my point here yet? Sarnia jobs in London and garbage trucks on the highway to dump in another town--TORONTO anyone? Mike Bradly needs to stop whinning about TO and their garbage, seeing as how Sarnia doesn't even have a dump of their own either!
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Post by Dean Robinson on Oct 30, 2006 9:16:38 GMT -5
Ryyback I my self am in total agreement with you on recycling we as a community need to put our effort in this people in apartments need to do there part as well. I know that some building have blue cans they are big blue garbage bins with wheel. do the use them I don't know. fumanshu wrote this and its a start
Negotiating a fixed rate for trash collection would force waste companies to be extra vigilant in what they can and cannot pick up.
2) Levy fines against people that place uncollectable garbage at the curb. You could, for example, levy $200 fines against those who place an untagged refrigerator at the curb. This would ultimately lead to people giving more consideration to what they place at the curb for trash collection.
For the latter scheme to work, you actually have to issue the fines. People tend to ignore repeated warnings.
Ryyback if I'm elected I will listen to you but I will also act on it as well. can give use some suggestions on how you would handle this . everyones opinions counts
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Post by ryyback on Nov 2, 2006 5:56:46 GMT -5
Hey all. First, seeing as how the City of Sarnia is what $100,000 in debt this year alone in the garbage dept, we need to make some changes quickly or it will get worse. I don't understand how this happened (actually I do), and it starts with the boneheads in city hall. They went with Marcotte over Waste Management because it was suppose to be cheaper? What happened there eh? Then they stop 'recycling' stoves, fridges, washers, etc, which leads to more money out the window in the Petrolia dump--yes PETROLIA DUMP (did I mention Sarnia doesn't have a dump?). So this will increase the profits for Marcotte and increase Sarnia's debt, as everything that goes to the dump is weighed by the ton, and the last time I checked washers and fridges weigh a crap load. So in order to stop this madness of the city losing money at a high rate, we need to bring back the 'recycling' program for 'heavy goods'. Then we need to get people in apts and townhouses to actually use there 'Toters' (blue bins on wheels). I would say off the top of my head 90% of the apts and townhouses have these bins, and would say that around 80% actually use them, but not to the full extent they should be. The garbage bins are always loaded with cardboard and papers, not to mention building material and other stuff that isn't suppose to be there. So when 'someone' compains to the city that there is too much 'unwanted' stuff in their garbage bins, the city (lazy asses) should go check it out and do something about it. As far as the city residents go, there is no sure fire way to go about this, except to maybe have someone follow the garbeg trucks sort of and watch that they don't pick up what they are not suppose to pick up, and fine them for 'non-compliance', like they did in the last contract. I know the last garbage contractor got lots of warnings and fines for what the city said was ' non-compliance'. I can go into that further later if you would like. Knowlegde is power.
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