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Post by jp on Jun 29, 2007 22:02:35 GMT -5
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Post by bizzi on Jun 30, 2007 4:27:58 GMT -5
Good find. Such a perfect example. Three brave girls telling it like it is: "Don't trust police or social workers......" You know something is horribly wrong when your not allowed to ask your children what their time in care has been like. I wasn't allowed to ask my son about his time in care. But he decided to share with us instead. "My foster daddy touches me funny in the bath" Ian Whitecross you pedophile. C.A.S is still placing children with this guy today. When we seen a beer bottle on the ground my son immediately knew what it was and let me know that "His foster mom always has one."
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Post by bizzi on Jun 30, 2007 5:02:44 GMT -5
My file is one of the ones the Ombudsman would like to investigate. So I guess that means by the government saying no and introducing bill 165 and making sure none of our cases are investigated it's safe to say the government is covering for child abusers and pedophiles....
You as Canadians should be proud. Stand up pat yourselves on the back get drunk and celebrate your grate nation and all the horrors it's inflected on little helpless children and so many others.
Happy Canada Day.
It's your day Canada ....
Not ours.
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Post by Dean Robinson on Jun 30, 2007 8:07:42 GMT -5
I watched this video. there seems to be a website abusive-ministry.ca but I cant find it. do you think that the site was ordered down.
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Post by bizzi on Jun 30, 2007 8:11:14 GMT -5
I think so. They have muscled everyone of us who have put up a site. I can't see that one being any different. Maybe they cut a deal? Who knows.
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Post by Dean Robinson on Jun 30, 2007 8:24:31 GMT -5
LOL everyone but me. I dont nagotiate, or should I say I have nothing for them to use on me to nagotiate with.
this is what a worker said to me a few days ago we at the CAS are not going nagotiate. We have a small claims case coming up Ill be useing the court rights to record this case. The case is based on a lie about a physical disability that would hurt the mother in her ability care for her child. now first let me say there is no such disability and if there was that would be a violation of this mothers UN santioned human rights back to the story this worker lied on a sworn affidavit and I can prove it. hmm I wonder what Ill do with the audio and the video Ive been collecting lol
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Post by jp on Jun 30, 2007 10:03:19 GMT -5
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Post by MConn on Jun 30, 2007 10:12:26 GMT -5
Dean there is another excellent video on W5 called The Convenient Diagnoses it shows the amount of money and how the children are treated in the system by using special needs
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Post by jp on Jun 30, 2007 10:42:40 GMT -5
I watched this video. there seems to be a website abusive-ministry.ca but I cant find it. do you think that the site was ordered down. Unsure if its/it was actually a website Dean. Found this link that appears to be associated with "abusive-ministry". www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=B1FDBEB4F7AD5C09
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Post by mac on Jun 30, 2007 12:56:01 GMT -5
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Post by jp on Jun 30, 2007 13:24:37 GMT -5
This shit isn't just happening "up in Ontario". Why do some people here continually try to imply it is? Some of you appear to need to "expand" your sense of concern. Its going on everywhere.
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Post by bizzi on Jun 30, 2007 14:34:05 GMT -5
Yep.
It's so messed up..
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Post by jp on Jun 30, 2007 15:19:01 GMT -5
Newspaper: Victoria(British Columbia) Times-Colonist Date: June 20, 2001 Column: A Closer Look
Reporter: Jody Paterson
Uncaring bureaucrat the worst of parents
This says it all: One of the things that now counts against you when the B.C. government is deciding whether to take your children away is whether they also took you away from your parents. In other words, child apprehension begets child apprehension.
Each new generation of state-parented children grows into adults who may end up poor parents themselves. With 10,000 or so children in care in B.C. in any given year and 70,000 across the country, it's a substantial concern. I've, heard the explanations as to why the state makes a lousy parent. Too few foster homes, not enough social workers, caseloads beyond reason.
The children are difficult, the parents troubled, the issues complex. And while your flesh-and-blood parents are there for you long after you turn 19, the state hands you a welfare cheque and considers its job done. But if that's how it is, then there has to be a better way.
Because a government that takes messed-up children away from their homes only to mess them up even more has certainly strayed far from the business of child protection.
Listen to the recent court testimony of local social worker David Roy, who did his job so poorly in one ongoing child-protection case that a provincial court judge deemed last month that he'd breached four of his Ministry's laws, most notably not acting in the child's best interests. Asked if he was aware of the rule requiring regular reviews of plans for children in care, Roy told the court, "I'm aware of the standard, and
I'm also aware that we are not meeting the standard. Standards are not being met in any particular case in our office, as far as I know." In fact, the child, - now almost four - has been in care most of his life without anyone in government bothering to map out what's needed to raise him right. Roy said he kept his plans "in his head", noting that a 1999 audit found the government complied with its own regulation in less than a third of all cases. That's an improvement; a couple years before that, it was eight percent.
Roy was involved in the case for two years, during which time he never read the child's file, didn't know the boy was aboriginal, didn't develop a care plan, shredded police documents, made up a hospitalization to bolster his case that the father should be denied access, and blocked one parent or another at every turn through 23 court appearances,
The parents were helpless. The act that governs child apprehensions packs plenty of punch when it comes to the government exercising its rights, but has no remedies for wayward social workers.
Roy's supervisors couldn't intervene, as the only one who can yank a B.C.social worker off a child-custody case is the director of child protection. Even the judge had to work hard to find a way to punish Roy. He ordered the Ministry of Children and Family Development to pay $2,000 to the parents' lawyers, Shannon Buchan and Lex Reynolds, in recognition of the lawyers' dogged (and often unpaid) determination to set things right. And he contemplated bringing contempt-of-court charges against Roy, but decided "indifference and neglect" were not sufficient grounds.
Roy was eventually pulled off the case and his other cases have since been audited by the ministry, which isn't commenting I guess it's a win for somebody, although it's hard to say who. The child who sparked it all is still in the custody of the ministry. His parents and their lawyers thought they'd have to answer all sorts of questions when the ministry investigated Roy. But no one ever called.
Judge sheds light on murky ministry for kids
Paul Willcocks Vancouver Sun VICTORIA, BC - The court has already decided child protection worker David Roy was indifferent and negligent in opposing a father's long fight for the right to visit his own child.
Now you have to decide if Mr. Roy is right when he says that's just the way things work -- or don't work -- in the ministry for children and families.
Matthew turned four Monday, in foster care. After 35 court appearances -- almost all required because of ministry failures -- his father still hadn't received a hearing on his simple desire to have access to his son. (No last names are being used to protect the child.)
Judge Brian Neal finally ran out of patience last month. The ministry had misled the court, he found. The social worker had shredded relevant police reports. There was no plan of care for the little boy and no risk assessment, both legally required. The ministry broke its own rules by ignoring evidence that Matthew had an aboriginal heritage.
"During the course of Mr. Roy's dealings with this file he has procrastinated in communications with counsel for both parents and arrangements for access visits, ignored court orders, destroyed or withheld relevant reports and information, failed to prepare and implement a detailed plan of care as required by law," Judge Neal found. "More than 35 court appearances have taken place since the initial apprehension and there has still been no hearing on the substantive issues."
We're talking about a toddler taken from his parents on his first birthday, and a two-year battle for the right to visit him.
The people whose children are seized by the ministry are generally poor and suffering from more than their share of problems. They can't afford lawyers. They don't know the system. It is not hard to deny them their rights.
That's what could have happened in this case. But the dad and his lawyer, Shannon Buchan of Victoria, kept going back to court, pressing for action. Judge Neal noted the extraordinary efforts of Ms. Buchan and Lex Reynolds, lawyer for the boy's mother, ordering the ministry to pay them $2,000 each in compensation.
Judge Neal finally summoned Mr. Roy for an accounting last fall.
His testimony was alarming. Mr. Roy said he hadn't prepared a required care plan or a risk assessment, but kept the information in his head. He knew the requirement; he also knew it was widely ignored. An audit last year found that 54 per cent of the children had adequate care plans. Half the almost 10,000 children in government care are at risk of drifting from foster home to foster home without receiving the help they need.
Mr. Roy basically told the court he was doing the best he could under difficult circumstances. His workload meant he had to deal first with emergencies; that meant children like Matthew would wait -- apparently indefinitely.
This is a horrible case. But the bigger question is whether it is an aberration, or another indicator of how badly this critical ministry has been mismanaged.
Judge Neal believes it shows fundamental problems, "a significant systemic failure." He has ordered the province's director of child protection to attend personally when an eight-day hearing is held in November on continuing custody. That's the only way he could be sure the case would go ahead.
He sent the transcript of Mr. Roy's testimony to Ross Dawson, the former director of child protection. Mr. Dawson, who took a job in Washington state earlier this year, wrote to the judge -- an improper act in itself -- to say he had pulled Mr. Roy from the case and ordered an audit of his other cases.
What did the audit find? Were dozens of families treated in the same way? Is Mr. Roy still working for the ministry?
That's a secret, the ministry says.
Why did no one notice that Mr. Roy was appearing in court repeatedly on the same case, or ask about his plans for the child? In fact why did Mr. Roy's supervisors fail to act on complaints they received about his conduct?
Ministry officials won't answer those questions either, and won't provide any reasons for their silence. It's not hard to see where Mr. Roy developed his ideas of accountability and openness.
The ministry's work is critical to the safety of children and the happiness of families. Its performance in this case is shameful. Its refusal to account for its performance is inexcusable.
Vancouver Sun Wednesday 28 February 2001 "Children poorly cared for by a Ministry in Chaos" By Paul Willcocks - OPINION VICTORIA, BC - Maybe we're all too jaded after years of failure in the Ministry Of Children and Families. It's hard to find any other explanation for the silence that greeted a KPMG dissection of the ministry's northern operations that found it failed to meet acceptable standards in almost every way. The same findings, applied to any private-sector organization, would result in immediate, major management changes. But not in the ministry. Minister Ed John announced a 90-day action plan to deal with the issues raised by KPMG, a commitment that should inspire no confidence. Mr. John ordered the KPMG report in December, after foster parents complained of threats and intimidation and charged the ministry with failing to meet the needs of children. The 148-page document is a devastating look at a ministry where basic management controls still aren't in place, despite years of warnings from virtually every independent expert. The language in the report is dispassionate. But it's important to remember, as page after page of failures unfold, that this isn't just another consultant's report. When problems are ignored -- as they have been in the ministry -- the result isn't a drop in corporate profits. Children's lives are ruined, families are tormented and the hopes of the people who went into the field to make a difference are shattered. Management isn't complicated. Managers have a responsibility to set objectives, see that an appropriate plan is in place and ensure that the right people are on the job with the needed tools. They need to communicate the plan clearly, measure the progress and build on successes and deal with problems. The issues are the same whether it's a ministry responsible for children's lives or a sawmill. And in every area, the children's ministry is falling short. The KPMG team found little evidence of plans setting out the region's priorities. "For an organization with a budget of approximately $133 million and a staff of over 450, the lack of a detailed performance plan is a serious departure from sound management practices," reports KPMG. Managers don't have any say in the development of their budgets, and receive impossible orders. The result is obvious -- for this year and the last three the region has overspent its budget. And the highly centralized ministry hands down plans without considering regional issues. KPMG found the northern region likely didn't have the resources needed to care for children or an adequate budget. It couldn't be more specific -- no one knows what is needed. And it found the basic essentials of management were missing. There is no effective system for monitoring performance, for determining if the ministry is actually meeting its goals. Human resource management -- the basic and critical job of managing people -- is feeble. Staff don't receive performance appraisals unless they press for them, job descriptions are out of date and inadequate and managers aren't accountable for their work. The same critical lack of accountability is true at all levels -- if errors are made, no effective action is taken to prevent them from recurring. If policies are violated, there is no discipline. "Supervisors and managers are often promoted without the necessary skills to adequately perform their important functions," KPMG found. Once on the job, they don't get the training they need and their performance isn't effectively monitored. "Our review found management in the North Region to be overly supportive of the status quo and did not appear to acknowledge the severity of the challenges it is facing," KPMG reported. Many offices were operating with less than half the required staff and turnover is so high that the ministry can't even communicate directly with staff because it can't maintain an e-mail distribution list. And because of staff shortages, corners are routinely cut in critical areas that affect children's care. For hard-pressed front-line workers, there is the additional frustration of the ministry's failure to follow up on promises to children, parents or organizations. It's a valuable report -- or it would be if the government was prepared to take serious action. But the initial response indicates it will be the latest in a long series of independent reports ignored by this government and the ministry. Children's Advocate Joyce Preston said she read the KPMG report with mounting horror. "I didn't know whether to cry or yell." And as she read the list of failures, she became convinced -- or more convinced -- that it's time for new management in the ministry. "These are the folks that let it get this bad," she said. "If somebody said that about an organization, would it continue to have the same management?" The answer should be clear.
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Post by mac on Jun 30, 2007 21:55:02 GMT -5
What this web is telling us that it is across Canada but because we in Ontario have no Ombudsman the crises is lager just look and watch the video. If you do not like me posting here just let me know and I will leave I have no trouble in doing so.
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Post by jp on Jun 30, 2007 23:20:42 GMT -5
mac, I'm not sure whether having an Ombudsman to "oversee" things makes that much difference. I started the thread (link below) a while back addressing some of the problems the Ombudsman "runs up against" dealing with the MCFD CPS here in BC. sarniasgun.proboards83.com/index.cgi?board=childrenaid&action=display&thread=1179675107I tend to think 2 reasons things are quite a bit worse in Ontario is due to the size of the province(population), and because they aren't a Ministry. Hard to say, just a hunch. I do know though, that I've both read and heard about one heck of a lot of crap going on out there. And from what I've determined from such, not even wild horses could drag me out there.
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