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Post by td on Jun 5, 2007 0:46:52 GMT -5
question: when form 33.b.1 is all filled out,are they affirmed and sworn in like any other affidavit? or are they just some bullshit crap that the parties can type up on a form (kind of like a 'typed' version of a pissing contest)and had out a copy to each party? **or are they held to their statements?AND..........accusations?**
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litigator
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Post by litigator on Jun 5, 2007 5:59:48 GMT -5
Form 33b.1 does not need to be sworn just your signature is required. They are not held to their statements and accusations, YOU ARE. They can make any allegations they like and it is not required that they prove it but it is required that you prove you didn't do it. Child protection law in Ontario places the unjust onus on you to prove your innocence or in their words "that you pose no risk to your child/children".
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Post by Whistleblower on Jun 5, 2007 12:08:41 GMT -5
What do you put in plan of care and answers? What would you put in? What do you say? Do we attach proof/evidence to it or add the Affavidits to it like Form 14A and 14? Do we attach the proof to it that it DID NOT HAPPEN? Plan of Care means do we get to name who will care for our children? What if there isn't any? Then what?
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Post by td on Jun 5, 2007 13:03:19 GMT -5
to litigator: thats good! got the evidence to prove other wise! to whistle blower:"you said who will take care of your children", then you said"what happens if there isnt any?, how would that supposed to come to be? ??
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Post by Lorna on Jun 5, 2007 17:26:08 GMT -5
YOU will take care of your kids......have back up, like a weekend at uncles, or granny's.....
Read threw their plan of care and dispute what you can, they have it a form like 1. 2. 3. so you start with one and answer to that then move on to 2 and so on till you have disputed what you dont like or dont want to happen.
And when you go to the courts you have to swear on the affidavit , I did it the other day, and then you have to swear you have served them..with your affidavit...There is no better person to do these papers than the people who are fighting for their children. But the plan of care has to be put in to, so the judge can read your responce, it will get stapled to your affidavit.
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Post by Whistleblower on Jun 5, 2007 20:43:45 GMT -5
td: What I have here is that I have ex-communicated with my "extended family". I don't talk to my parents nor my sister, or brother. They are "too busy" with their lives and told me "you are on your own". They can't even handle special needs kids like I do. These kids are ADHD, ADD, O.D.D. You are right Lorna, I AM THE ONE that can take care of these kids. They know me since birth, they have known their only home that they grew up in. They know their Mother. I am sure there is an Aunt somewhere but that would be like 600 to 700 miles away. and she works all the time on her job.
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Post by scarred on Jul 23, 2007 10:23:34 GMT -5
In your answer and plan of care you should include everyone and anyone who will be in positive contact with either you or your children ie. councellors, doctors etc.. Do not, and i mean do not sign the statement of agreed facts until it is cleaned up and polished to your liking. This is what buried me as it was exactly like admitting that everything that CAS workers said is true. Even though we all know that they lie and take comments out of context.Your signed statement is admissible evidence. Just make sure that whover is in your plan of care knows about it and will support you. You'd be surprised at how many people hate the CAS.
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Post by td on Jul 23, 2007 16:55:22 GMT -5
sign a statement of agreeing to facts whats that? and hell, they dont want the affidavit,before a judge in a open court room! for it is not only all lies but with holds the identities of their crimes!for why else would the crown want to stop the charges against jeniffer giroux who compiled the affidavit? fabricated evidnce? perjury? obstruction of justice?
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Post by scarred on Jul 23, 2007 19:18:56 GMT -5
Form 33B.1 is meant for "Parties other than Children's Aid Society" You are held to that and only you. As Lorna said above you should go through their statement of agreed facts piece by piece and write in the form33B.1/Answer and Plan of Care what you dispute and why.And yes if you disagree with what the society is asking for you need to file and serve an affidavit on Form 14 at the temporary care/Custody hearing. It's all red tape BS designed to bury you so that the average joe get's lost in paperwork and timelines. Most lawyers won't go through the trouble of informing their clients of these basic legal rights and responsibilties. I am not any kind of lawyer but I have been dealing with this corruption so long that I got tired of just going to court and letting my lawyer handle stuff. I got myself a copy of the Child and Family Services Act. You can download it online.It is a Godsend. It is their Bible and as such is open to their broad ,misleading and sometimes criminal interpretation. So be very careful of the words you choose.You can't take them back, and they can be used against you, as we all know so well already.
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Post by scarred on Jul 23, 2007 19:23:31 GMT -5
What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty.Well that may still be true in criminal law it is the exact opposite in Family Law.Guilty until proven innocent(or you die from old age or suicide) Why should I have to prove that I am not a child abuser. The onus should be on them, they are the ones who can afford luxury SUV's and such.mmmmpppphhhh.
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Post by queenb272725 on Oct 19, 2018 9:57:10 GMT -5
When filling out form 33.b.1 where it says I/we agree to the facts in paragraph 6 and paragraph 3 does paragraph 6 refer to the current information and paragraph 3 refer to what they are asking the courts for?
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