litigator
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The legal guy
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Post by litigator on May 10, 2007 12:25:43 GMT -5
In response to the many posts regarding the New Area for CAS workers and Foster Parents I thought I should post a few points to remember.
1) We are all here most of us with a common complaint, that the CAS, and the courts don't listen to us. Should an ethical CAS worker want to post helpful INSIDER information they may be discouraged by all the negativity. If we wish to be heard and respected it is wise to extend the same courtesy to others. If you wish to challenge or dispute the content of what is said after the fact that is your right but please be considerate of others out here that may find this information helpful and let people speak before condeming them. Knowledge is Power
2) While the majority of CAS workers are up to their knees in corruption and abuse of power against families, there are decent and caring workers that want to be heard and this could be their outlet to do so. Ethical CAS workers are threatened, fired or disciplined by their employers if they speak out about the corruption in the child protection racket. Lets not punish these people here when they may be trying to genuinly help us.
3) There is strength in numbers and there are no better members to have as your allies than former employees who work or worked on the front lines and can provide valuable evidence to support our claims of injustices against families. These people have the information we need to prosecute these publicly funded home wreckers.
4) Often when people speak they provide you with information without realizing it. It is always best to listen to what is being said or written before formulating your questions and responses. Much more can be learned if your ears do not have to strain to hear over your own voice.
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Post by Lorna on May 10, 2007 12:31:26 GMT -5
Great post Litigator.....
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Post by Dean Robinson on May 10, 2007 12:41:10 GMT -5
well put Litigator. I give credit to those workers that have posted here . look read listen. we may learn something. But most inportant be civil, show the respect that we would want in return,
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Post by miyaxanagel on May 10, 2007 14:22:47 GMT -5
I agree. We may learn with more knowledge and to learn from each other, maybe even help reform CAS's protocols. Who knows? Make it easier for Families to understand and not to feel attacked.
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Post by bizzi on May 14, 2007 6:33:47 GMT -5
You know...... You people were not in care yourselves hu? Work with them? Tell me something... would you be willing to work with a rapist or a murder or their friends? Work with them? You people are out of your mind... The only working we should be doing is with each other to get them shut down. If a few good workers don't fight to change the system then they are not good workers... If they do not change the system and let these children be abused rapped and starved in cages and still don't stand up to make change then... their is no Good workers. Shutting up saying nuthing and collecting a pay check makes you as bad as those killing the children. Their is no such thing as a good worker... But that is their own choice. The minute you think you can work with them..... You have lost. If it was possible to work with them it we would not still be doing this after 4 years and 13 death later.
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Post by bizzi on May 14, 2007 6:44:00 GMT -5
Okay I guess I understand what you want ,them to work with families.. but your forgetting who is paying the price of living in care while your working with them.. .. your child is not you.. So it's easy to say that isn't it? But your child is living threw a hell you will never truly under-stand till it is you sitting in these "Loving homes" Getting killed abused, raped used to make child porn, starved, dismembered and the list goes on.. you have no idea. While your "working" with them your child is more then likely living a hell they can't escape. You can't work with people that hate you. And think your less then scum.... But you guys feel free to waste another 4 years "working" with them....
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Post by bizzi on May 14, 2007 6:51:12 GMT -5
I have met good social workers... but they don't work for anyone now they quit.. and most certainly never worked as a child protection worker...
I have friends that used to be social workers. They think they same as I do... This is insane. And has to stop. They are members of H.A.C.A.S.
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Post by miyaxanagel on May 14, 2007 10:05:42 GMT -5
I agree with Lig and Bizzi. Both two same sides. However, I must say I met very few good workers but when you say something to them (good workers) they used the words and twist, change and use it against you ANYWAYS! That's how the trust is broken. I have seen wacky crazy workers, one of them acting like a 4 yrs old. Jumping up and down, demanding information and stomping her feet and calling the police. It was simply because I had told her to obtain an Interpreter being that I am deaf. I could not understand a damn thing she said but I can see her body language which is a symptom of a 4 yr sold. Just temperous. That is not even professional, for a Social Worker or CAS Worker for that matter. Even my Kids saw that and thought it was pretty funny. Anyhow, I have met good workers, but they WORK FOR CAS Agencies and must follow the "Ministry" rule. No matter how you dissect it, they still have to follow it. They will change their true colors once you don't say anything, they will all of a sudden attack and telling you are a BAD, bad bad parent... How is that possible? Good Workers then changed to Bad Workers in merely few days in between? I thought they were polite, and good, then all of a sudden changed instantly. Just like Jekkyl and Hyde. It even scares me. But even more damaging is the Trust they have broken because when you give up information, they damaged the information and lied in their reports. Changing it, twisting it, and lying about it. But then I thought that is their right as they think it is. To fabricate, lie, change words to use against Families is pretty easy but to prove it with evidence is pretty harder thing to do. But the problem is that they admit hearsay in Court and often won't admit evidence in Court so that's why they can do virtually just about anything, that is...including lying and scheming. And gets away with it. They HAVE IMMUNITY!
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Post by LOL on May 15, 2007 8:25:00 GMT -5
I had a foot stomper also, whenever she didn't get her way which was most of the time she had a temper tantrum. Lol I wanted to put her on a time out.
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Post by miyaxanagel on May 15, 2007 9:30:36 GMT -5
Yup, that's what they needed. Just acting like a Child. It is pretty embarrassing. Shouldn't they be acting like a WORKER? work professionally? Listen, I graduated with Business Honors, I know that you are supposed to act professional in any business field and CAS organizations ARE A BUSINESS because profits goes there and hence the Services. It is all about SUPPLY AND DEMAND kind of thing. But don't forget the Production.....the Children. That's how it works in a Business World. And we needn't a child working in a Business world.
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Post by bizzi on Jun 13, 2007 18:06:35 GMT -5
Globe and mail fooled again.. read the story they got about drugged children. That is retarded... "I am glad the globe and mail brought up such an important......" Now they are defending feeding children drugs that can screw with their brains and kill them as we have seen? I don't think experimenting on children is legal or very ethical.. but when it comes to C.A.S the words: ethical or legal C.A.S has selective hearing.. Their is no low they will not go for their position and pay checks.... The story is called: Drugs and kids aren't always a bad mix It's written by a board director at C.A.S named ENE UNDERWOOD. A board director protecting his ass.... What in the hell does a board director know about kids and medication? Oh yes, he has an adopted child. Probably stolen from a poor family who couldn't defend themselves in court properly. That seems to be an admitted problem for family court. A board director? Really come on C.A.S, you could have done better then that. Good post Jack! ENE UNDERWOOD get your head checked... Next thing you know they will be telling us that crack is good for you! And molesting kids is perfectly natural and okay.... www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070613.wcomment0613/BNStory/National/homeDon't delete that people need to read that. "I have a stolen kid and I am on the board, drugs are good for children" Do these people actually think before they talk? Naw, their to busy cashing their pay checks. If you honestly think that children and drugs are a good thing... then I guess that explains why foster care is in the murderous state it's in.
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Post by bizzi on Jun 13, 2007 20:47:35 GMT -5
I was reading the comments people were making about this issue... then I came to the bottom of the comments... This is what I read...
# Mike Hollin, from Ottawa, Canada wrote: My name is mike I now suffer from no short term memory and memory laps. I can barely find my own way home when I leave my house to goto the store.
I was in foster care they drugged me becuase I would not listen to them. After I turned 18 I was so hooked on their drugs I agreed to an extended plan of care till I was 24. At 29 I started to notice problems bleeding from the ears loss of entire days behaviors I could not control.
When I confronted C.A.S about what they had done. They told me they would get back to me. I received a letter from their lawyer saying that if I didn't stop making these accusations their would be legal action taken against me. I tried to find a laywer but when I said C.A.S they didn't want to hear about it.
If it was not for my sister I would be homeless or dead. I need to have my address my name and phone number on a string around my neck. The worse part is I am aware of this but can't stop it. It's so fustrating I just want to curl up in a ball and die. I feel like a 6 year old child sometimes. I can't remember anything. If it was not for my sister helping my type this. I probably would not even make sense as I can hardly hold on to t a thought for a minute.
I was diagnosed with 3 things I did not have. I was forced to take the drugs or end up in sevure treatment and diagnosed a danger to my self. The drugs would make me sick act violently it was different every day.
It's to late for me the damage is done.
Please stop drugging children so people like my sister aren't stuck baby sitting an retard. She says she does not mind but I see her with no life no boy friend it's not fair to her to have to take care of me.
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There are so mnay people out there that foster care has screwed up....
We have to find them. I almost think that our efforts would produce better results if we actively went out and tried to find these people.
it's people like this guy that are proof these C.A.S and doctors are maniacs that need to be locked up and force-fed their own drugs...
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Post by bizzi on Jun 13, 2007 20:54:43 GMT -5
"Please stop drugging children so people like my sister aren't stuck baby sitting an retard. She says she does not mind but I see her with no life no boy friend it's not fair to her to have to take care of me."
It makes me so mad the guy does not even care about himself. Foster care does that to you.
Even called himself a retard. And was only concerned that he was a burden on his sister.
Reading that brought a tear to my eye. Been along time....
I was questioning if we were doing the right thing with H50.
After reading that. I have absolutely no doubt.
I swear on my father's grave..... This will end one way or another.
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Post by bizzi on Jun 13, 2007 20:59:53 GMT -5
"When I confronted C.A.S about what they had done. They told me they would get back to me. I received a letter from their lawyer saying that if I didn't stop making these accusations their would be legal action taken against me. I tried to find a laywer but when I said C.A.S they didn't want to hear about it."
How odd when John Dunn pointed out the C.A.S was breaking the law they sent him a similar letter of threats.
C.A.S is a corporation of criminals and lying sacks of shit. And they have our most vulnerable children? Drugging 2 years olds?
I am gonna stop or I will get myself banned off this forum. I need to go play some violent video games... excuse me.
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Post by Funnel on Jun 13, 2007 21:24:21 GMT -5
Even threw all that buddy is only concerd about his sister and not himself. I lack the words I am feeling right now. I am glad that he posted. Maybe people will read that and start to think? I just wish he wouldn't have called himself a retard. he is the farthest thing from it. Biz, I never had any doubts. All I needed was to hear your story. But do you see anything simular about him and you? You both don't care about what happened to yourselves in foster care and just care that other people are being affected. Your right..... foster care does that to you dosn't it?
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