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Post by CE on May 5, 2007 20:42:16 GMT -5
Here to mention that the CAS will just open a case simply to harrass you and " show the power" . For example York CAS had open a second case file for no issue at all. During Directors Review with the Ministry of Children and Youth Services ( the old complaint process) was concluded that this case file should not been open and does not comply to the provincial standard. As well I found out that my case file was kept open when we actually were told the case was closed and service records were fabricated from the prior involvement. The CAS does all this for money , they get paid on case files. Further they would resist transfer because the the high risk to have you review the record with the other agency and discover fraud , fabricated case rocords to keep the case file open in order to profit from fraudulent financing. The POLICE has a duty to investigate fraud as this is an offence under the criminal code to fabricate records for fraudulent profit. However the Chielf of Police thinks that the fraud is so huge that this is way above his head. This is the sad truth. In regard to jurisdictions , strongly consider to go out of province or out of country. I was told the system in Quebec is quite good. They actually have parents who had been in the protection system to review complaints and take actions to control the agencies.
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Post by smartlady23 on May 5, 2007 20:54:03 GMT -5
awsome thanks for all the info i will put it too good use and will wait til things are more calm and my son is returned before moving.
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Post by U CAN TALK on May 7, 2007 11:54:24 GMT -5
I am writing a book about the Children's Aid Society, I would love to hear about your story! Help me by helping you getting your voice heard, if we all band together, we can stop them and turn them to people who are abuse. Please email at " ucantalk@hotmail.com And if you ever need anyone to talk to about anything (off the book) I will talk to you, sometimes it's easier to talk to a stranger that went through the same thing you are today! Keep your chin up dear, and NEVER STOP FIGHTING! Take care and smile, I know it's hard but your are the winner not them, and fight for rights you have. YOU GO GIRL, I AM WITH YOU 100%
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Post by miyaxanagel on May 7, 2007 12:26:33 GMT -5
That's right, we are Winners, not them. Because they are nothing but cause abuse on Children. Some got killed in Foster Care. Some got emotionally abused. Some got Mentally Abused. They got brainwashed and were told that Mommy and Daddy don't love them, CAS told them that their Mommy and Daddy abandoned them, and won't be seeing them and told them they don't love them anymore. Is that HOW you do it to a poor child who is confused and desperately wanting to go back home? That is by far, an ABUSE from CAS! It is called reprogramming and brainwashing. It has to stop now! LET the Children HAVE VOICES, why CAS doing their darnest best to silence them? WHY? yes why indeed? Why silence them? What do they have to hide? Maybe Children wants to go back to their Parents so bad, that there wasn't nothing happened, and CAS made up a false claim just to make money off these poor children? ?
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Post by smartlady23 on May 7, 2007 20:57:43 GMT -5
I have a problem with the aide backfiring on my visits now grr. when i was in court last the judge had strongly reccommended 3 days a week for visits for 7 hours. I had asked for specific days and got screwed. Got a call from my worker tonight saying that there was another person supervising my visits and they were on the opposite days i had asked for and that it was only for 3 hours each this week. when my visits are eventually extended they are only for 2 days a week for 7 hours instead of 3 like the judge had recommended. I am just very frustrated because i think they are being totally unfair to me and our family because these are my visits they are screwing with and i just wish they would get there act together. Can anyone help me on this matter with them going against judges recommendations and being so unfair to us.
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Post by miyaxanagel on May 7, 2007 22:20:14 GMT -5
Do you have a Lawyer? Report this to your Lawyer that they are violating a Court Order. Go back to Court and hold CAS accountable. And also document everything, document their "refusals" to meet your demands or requests. Put it all in writing. Keep a Log Book of all the dates, times that was alread visited and where. If she called, write a letter back to her to confirm that call: "I was in receipt of your call on May 6 at 3:00 PM, you had said that you will do this day Monday but my request was Tuesday for Visitations at the *****". Please confirm this conversation is what you said over the telephone. I will be awaiting for your reply at your own convience or something like that. Regards, Mrs. Concerned Or change the words to what you like, but make sure you put in date, time and record it in writing of what she said over the phone. She could reply saying no, it is not true, but at least you had it in writing. Write a Letter of all of your Requests of 3 days a week, clearly and put her name and Agency Name. and put Court order Judge said to accomodate 3 days a week. And make her reply in writing. Make sure you document, document, and put everything in writing. Keep a Journal of all the visits that you made and all the visits denied. Bring a Witness with you so they can testify that this Worker is not accomodating to your requests. Hope this helps.
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Post by smartlady23 on May 8, 2007 6:59:42 GMT -5
yes but she is saying well it wasnt court order for the visits just strongly recommended by judge. Also if i write a letter to her talking about our phone call and she says no to what is in the letter she would be lieing and i want it in writing the truth about what was agreed upon earlier regarding the visits and the days i had asked for. also she is telling me im not even allowed to take him out during my visits should i be writing a dr. a letter or having my lawyer do it how should i do all this so im not in trouble. and yes i keep logs of everything here even how my visits are and what i done with my son during them etc. and what he eats also etc. im just fed up with the way im being treated by them for something i didnt even do blaming my son's medical condition on us when they took him from a healthy home for no reason.
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Post by Lorna on May 8, 2007 8:17:23 GMT -5
smartlady.....is it in the court papers, did the judge put this on paper, because even those idiots arent allowed to screw with a judges order, but if he left it to the discretion of the cas, then you might have a fight.....
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Post by Dean Robinson on May 8, 2007 8:36:30 GMT -5
in your next court apperance have your lawyer bring it up,
in the mean time go in like its not bugging you they are trying to get you pissed of to show that your unstable and that it is harming the emotions of your child. this is a game dont fall for it. the judge has made up his mind to have your child go home. they gave you the rope hand it back to them and let them hang themselfs. stay calm and and enjoy the visits with you kid.
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Post by smartlady23 on May 8, 2007 8:59:12 GMT -5
no its not in my court papers but it should be in the endorsement of the judges recommendations to have this access increased so i plan on getting a copy of it and knowing my rights and to fight for my access cause this is bull crap the way they are treating me and yes i am getting upset but in a way that wont harm me cause when i talk to my worker i tell her listen im not fighting with u and thats the bottom line. i have been taking anger management to help me personally but also with the aide cause i have screwed up previously with arguing with them now i dont bother i just let them know im getting upset and walk away cause im worth more then they show. if they wanna go against judges recommendations it show bad on there part but also the reason is because my son's health hasnt been great so hopefully the judge sees that because my son has medical needs not anything caused by us and they need to see were there to help him and they dont and im at a dead end road not knowing how else to show them but by what we are doing now.
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Post by miyaxanagel on May 8, 2007 9:01:40 GMT -5
in your next court apperance have your lawyer bring it up, in the mean time go in like its not bugging you they are trying to get you pissed of to show that your unstable and that it is harming the emotions of your child. this is a game dont fall for it. the judge has made up his mind to have your child go home. they gave you the rope hand it back to them and let them hang themselfs. stay calm and and enjoy the visits with you kid. That's exactly right. That's their game, they like to see how you react so they can make another case saying you are mentally unstable or whatever. Or anger, might make you take anger management classes. Have your Lawyer handle it in the next court appearance and bring it up to the Judge to tell him that CAS is violating an order. That is given if there is a Court Order by a Judge, then CAS is supposed to follow that order. Tell your Lawyer today. If possible as you can, get everything in writing including all the conversations, and phone calls. Tape record the phone calls. It helps for your Lawyer. Just remain calm and use the visits as much as you can and enjoy them. Smile and all that, it confuses them. They don't like to see that a Parent is all happy, smiling, and hugging the child. That's the Bond that can't be broken and CAS can't break it. The Love of a Bond. They hated to see that, they like to see parents all upset and screw themselves so they can use it against them. ya know?
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Post by smartlady23 on May 8, 2007 9:16:29 GMT -5
yes i know and i do remain calm but i cant sit back and allow them to keep my son from me thats hard. and how do i tape record phone calls i dont have that type of phone i dont know. but i plan on going to court office and getting copies of the endorsement and trying to fight this thing beyond. my lawyer doesnt seem to fight as hard for me and always tells me remain calm more then getting off her butt to do something. there isnt too many lawyers in this area that dont take legal aide and thats who my lawyer is through cause i have no money to pay for one. i find legal aide one's dont work as hard for ppl and im finding that out now near the end of my case. she is so slow at doing things and it drives me bonkers lol.
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Post by miyaxanagel on May 8, 2007 10:18:53 GMT -5
Yes, that is what's so sad what's coming to this Country. Here we have incomptent Lawyers that do nothing jack for Defending families but sit there and tell you to adhere to CAS' demands. It is also sad to see that Legal Aid is not helping families. CAS wants to be powerful over anything and that's whats scary. Nothing can be done to stop these neglectful people who abuse the power and its system. Something has to be done.
We can tell, holler, scream, tell people about CAS but most people don't believe it, ya know? It is hard to get the message across unless it happens to them. Then their eyes will be opened for what CAS is really like....I didn't know about them and thought they were Child savers, protectors, but boy, was I wrong. They are beyond power and thinks they are above the Law.
I don't know who can make its change and reform CAS from inside out. It is going to be a long time before that would happen some day. But our Children are at stake today, and we don't want to see them harmed by CAS emotionally, and mentally so. CAS don't care and has no empathy. That's what so scary about them.
All we do is just keep on fighting, know our rights, and the Law. Keep things in Writing is what helps halt their corrupt ways. Document everything, tape record, videos, are the most valuable evidence there is. That is all we have for now to defend ourselves. For right now. Until we reform CAS. That day, we don't know when it will come.
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Post by smartlady23 on May 9, 2007 7:59:50 GMT -5
My worker asked me if i wanted my visits this week wed and fri i replied no for 1. he has an appt today which is 2 hours long and my visit they wanted me to have would have been today 2-5 only 3 hours and would have ran into the appt. then she asked about fri i said no because they werent the days i had asked for. next week my visits will be back on track sort of i get 2 visits for 7 hours but the judge recommended 3 visits per week for 7 hours so cas is kinda not following that so we'll see what happens. The only thing that bites is cas is not allowing me to take my son to playgroups etc during my 7 hours visits only to the park etc which is totally unfair this is why i asked for the extended time to be able to take him places and do things. they are worried about him vomitting etc and they say at least if that happens im close to home to clean him up etc well that is why u bring changes of clothes with u and clean them up whereever u are duh. i dont know just gonna do my visits and focus on my son but im not kissing butt no more and letting them push me around like my mother i will remain calm for my son's sake and mine to get him back but doesnt mean i cant have dissagreements with them.
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Post by REALITY on May 9, 2007 8:08:37 GMT -5
Saying no to any access is not in the best interest of the child. You should be ready and willing to have access visits even if it's only for half hour, or even just to accompany him to an appointment.
Saying no because it does not suit you will only serve to work against you. This is saying that your "wants" override the child's "needs".
You would be better off saying, yes, I'll take whatever you are offering at this point, but it would be in the best interest of my child to cater to a routine schedule.
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