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Post by advocate on May 3, 2007 0:05:59 GMT -5
From what I've seen over the years. I have never seen a Judge give custody to a babysitter. One of you needs to take full time care of your son and maybe the other one works. If it's a choice between work and your son I believe you'll know what to do. At least untill your file is closed.
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Post by smartlady23 on May 3, 2007 7:38:59 GMT -5
yes i think i am gonna not work and focus on getting my son home then decide but for now maybe i will just do something on the days i dont have him we'll see. And as far as supervised visits all it says in my court papers ever is that we cant care for our son so this is why they dont trust us unsupervised and my lawyer isnt always the best of help cause she says that cas wouldnt even be looking at unsupervised access yet just to hang in there with the extended visits. and they are making us do councelling and parenting etc to shwo we want my son back. it was the judge who ordered the councelling for coping and stress and the parenting they only wanted us to take 1 but every parenting class that comes up we take for our own benefits and for our son
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Post by ok on May 3, 2007 10:31:25 GMT -5
Well sure the judges give custody to babysitters. If the babysitter cannot afford the child they will get subsidized adoption fees applied for by the "cas" on behalf of the babysitter.
Did you know that no "foster parent" can adopt a crownward according to the CFSA but it happens all the time/ NOBODY CARES / NOBODY WILL EVER CARE UNTIL THE NIGHTMARE HAPPENS.
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Post by advocate on May 3, 2007 11:02:57 GMT -5
Ok, I wasn't refering to foster care. I was talking about when the parents are getting custody back, but I'm sure your right about fosters adopting. I hate to say this but in some situations (few) foster parents are the only parents these kid's know and adoption is a good thing........sometimes. In this case, that's not the case. They are doing everything plus, to satisfy CAS and seem to love and want there son back. I couldn't be a foster parent because the hardest thing would be to hand the child back after growing to love them. But I understand some fosters and the CAS treat it like a business $$$$$$$$, which doesn't help the children at all. I wonder what would happen to the amount of Foster parents if they didn't get paid and it was done on a volunteer basis?.
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Post by smartlady23 on May 3, 2007 11:49:52 GMT -5
oh yes we love our child deeply and want him back. but we have tried everything we can think of and still it seems as if we arent doing something right cause cas just fight us all the time and we never know it until the advadavids come in just before court. In court the cas lawyer cuts me down more as apposed to my hubby so i dunno what they have against me.
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Post by td on May 3, 2007 13:54:39 GMT -5
well it works like this! 1. they dont need to attack your husband, for one false aligation by a worker, and they get a court order to have him removed from the home,we all know how that works!then theres the devide and conquer! 2. they have to levy down on you for a) your a mother, b)they have nothing on you(thats why they want you to do this parenting courses) to get stuff on you,as court watch says,ask for the person resumee whos doing the course and you might find some shocking info, better (like their former employment)yet ask them if their using their married name or maiden name! 3. their using the course`s to prolong (obstruct ) court proceedings, to facilitate their other(pre-conspired)avenues of obstruction!
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Post by miyaxanagel on May 3, 2007 14:43:03 GMT -5
That's one way to look at it and it is true. Don't you often wonder why CAS takes SO Long for you to take unnecessary Services? Most Service Plan lasts up to 6 months then comes back saying you need more, and sign another under the dotted line....if you say no, all CAS have to ask the Judge to court order it which "HENCE" it prolong your court case. In ADDITION to that, the CAS wants the case to drag on JUST SO that they can keep the funds flowing in....smoothly. When you try to interrupt them, they will put up "so called objections" and say you must do this and that BEFORE you get your Kids back. Does that make you wonder? mmmmm? Look at this, most Adoptions takes place between 9 to 12 months, and THATS WHEN They make you drag on and on...just to come to the time line so they can put up TPR- Termination of Parental Rights. Dependancy Hearings, and Permanency Hearing are around the corner between 6 months to 9 months. Now go back to Service Plan and look at their expiry date, which is.....you guessed it, 6 months. But they can draw up ANOTHER making you take it again, TAKE ANOTHER 6 MONTHS. So 6 plus 6 equals 12 months equals Adoption window. Most Foster Care system lasts up to 1 year, some up to 2 Years. ALL OF THIS WITHIN THE WINDOW SPECTRUM or GROUP. ALL IN ONE POT...well...their gold pot. Get it? Their INTENTION ARE THESE CHILDREN AND THEY ARE CHILD STEALERS AND ADOPTION SELLERS. AND A FOSTER CARE STARTER. Don't forget Service Promotions and Offers. Don't you hear often they always offer Services and say you will "get them back" given if you complete the Services? WHAT IF...there are no Services, would they give you your kids back? I guess not. BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOTHING TO GO ON WITH SERVICES ARE THE ONE THEY HAVE TO GO ON WITH TO MAKE OR SEAL THE DEAL. If you don't sign the Service Plan, or whatever they ask you to sign under the dotted line, you will never get your kids back but while you have YOUR KIDS STILL IN CUSTODY, DO NOT SIGN ANY SERVICE PLANS. Then they will have nothing to go on with EXCEPT think of SOMETHING TO TAKE YOUR KIDS AWAY IN ORDER FOR YOU TO DO THE SERVICES.... Hence, the extortion goes on and on.....sounds familiar?
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Post by Guest on May 3, 2007 14:45:10 GMT -5
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Post by smartlady23 on May 3, 2007 19:03:21 GMT -5
thanks all who have tried to help. really not much i can do with all this but keep up the work i am doing and just focus on getting my son home. he is my concern right now along with my other kids that are in my care and healthy as ever. My place is always clean and there has never been any signs of abuse in the home so really they have no case but using my son's medical condition against me. But now it isnt even that its a matter of our parenting capacity now which is odd when i have other kids who live with us. but the cas lawyer says that my other kids dont have problems like my son in care.
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Post by REALITY on May 3, 2007 21:54:09 GMT -5
It is very hard to give personalized advise or direction regarding how to fight CAS without knowing specific details of the case involved. It is mandatory that you not disclose this information to the public forum in a way that would identify any of the parties involved. You may however do this in private for more detailed informaiton regarding your case and your rights. We have many people to assist, with experience in different areas of child protection. Unfortunately we can not solve your problems, but we are here to help you help yourself.
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Post by Dean Robinson on May 3, 2007 23:07:11 GMT -5
Thank you Reality. We can give you advise but its what you do with the advise. We cant help you if we dont have the facts, If you are not sure as to the reasoning of the protection order adk the Worker for the reason they feel that there should be a protection order, and politly ask what they exspect from you to have your child returned home. have them put this in writing do your best to follow there terms get letters of recomdation from the people that are providing these services. befriend the person that is supervising the visits, never talk negitive in front of these people always show them kindness, record every thing with out them knowing is better,
the better you treat them the better it will be fore you in the long run. the more you provolk them the harder they will be on you. keep your cool. The fist thing you should be working on is getting your child home.
We have been dealing with the CAS for long time there are very few people that have not won in the long run. not all workers are Assholes. even the ones that are can be won over with a little kindness. Now there are a few that there is no pleaseing like the idiot in the Norris famply case but we know that this family will win their case. thanks to the videos and the records Cathy has kept.
So be nice keep records and jurnels of all comunication and every visit with your child, Write down what you did, what was discussed with youur child and how your child reacted to your visits with him. Keep times dates and locations in The jurnal so you can refer back to anything that was said or discussed with your worker aswell. let them know your doing this but be polite. say things such as Im sorry Im just trying to keep a jurnal so I can learn as mush as I can to give my child a better life, ask them to repete things as you write what their saying in front of them. remember that this is to get your chikd home its not about your feelings its about giving your child the love and respect he deserves and also meaningful good child hood memorys of a family that loves him and will bend over back wards to protect him.
the reason there doing these visits is to get your child back to you with the least amont of stress to him. but rememer the more rope they give you the easyer it is to hang your self so stay civil and remember this is about your kid not you..
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Post by smartlady23 on May 4, 2007 11:12:57 GMT -5
ty all for the great advice and i will be sure to definetely use it. i know why the protection order is in place because they felt we were the cause of my son's medical condition and that is why we have supervised visits. Now its not a matter of my son's medical condition its whether we can parent him and thats what they wanna see and wont give us unsupervised access right now.And i have asked them about the expectations on us and they told u just keep doing what ur doing meaning the parenting classes,councelling, visits with our son and attending all his appts and so thats what we have been doing and still are.
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Post by smartlady23 on May 5, 2007 13:29:34 GMT -5
i have another question if i relocate outside of where i am living now does cas have to bring my child to me for visits because they told me they wont bring him for visits if i move so was wondering if by law they have to.
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Post by miyaxanagel on May 5, 2007 14:16:08 GMT -5
That's a tricky question. They are talking about different jurisdictions. Once the Child is registered to this district, this child stays in that district. If you move to another district, they won't bring the child to another district BUT they can transfer the case to the other district. But not with the child. The Child stays there in that jurisidiction. But you can apply to have that jurisidiction changed by going to Court and have the Judge court order the new move to that jurisdiction. If you still have the child with you, and you move, YES you CAN. If the Case is still open and pending, it will follow you into that new jurisdiction and you will deal with a new CAS Agency. They can't do NOTHING if the Case is closed. Case is closed. Period. You will have a better life in new district without harrassment. It is much harder if the Child is with the Crown Ward (Government) and you move to another District, they won't bring him to visitations there. But you can change visitation rights to have that held in that district BY A JUDGE (through Family Courts) and have it court ordered and CAS has no choice but to follow that court order. I don't know the Law, but I know what jurisdictions they deal with, the CAS Agency STAYS in that district. If you move to another district, you will have a new CAS Agency to deal with you. Same example with Cathy. The Child stays in Brantford, so hence CAS Brantford deals with it, but Kingston wants the child because the judge orders it, but the child stays in Brantford physically in that district, so hence Cathy deals with a new CAS Brantford Agency now. Kingston CAS is fighting to keep the child there, but the child is no longer there in their possession. But would have gotten him if they have the said child. It is all about jurisdiction. What I am saying, wait till you get your Child, then MOVE OUT OF THERE! But if the Case is still open, you will have to deal with a new CAS Agency. Wait till the Case is closed completely then get the hell out of there! But some Families will stay regardless of what CAS do, they will keep on coming back more and more.....on Years at end. For me, I deal with them for 8 years now. (8 cases for the past 8 years) because I stayed in the same district.
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Post by smartlady23 on May 5, 2007 19:46:10 GMT -5
Oh wow thanks for that info miyaxanagel i had no clue the jurisdictions worked like that. Ya i will do that wait til i get my son back then move i was just thinking it because my hubby cant find work here where we live but we will wait and see what happens with our son.
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